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A thread for another of our close NATO allies, Germany.

German Army Takes Official Delivery of Puma Infantry Fighting Vehicle
Rheinmetall and Krauss-Maffei Wegmann (KMW) formally handed over the Puma infantry fighting vehicle to the German Bundeswehr Wednesday, June 24, 2015, the most advanced system of its kind anywhere. One of the world’s most ambitious projects in the field of army technology thus enters the utilization phase.
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German Typhoons escorting the Queen today:

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Germany to Increase Defence Spending
Germany is to increase its defence spending, aiming to support NATO guidelines of spending 2% of GDP on national defence.

The Federal German Cabinet approved the 2016 budget and financial planning cycle until 2019 on 1 July. While set by the German cabinet, this is a planning assumption and not binding.
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I post here because it is German defense industry

Powerful German built MEKO A-200 AN Frigate for Algerian Navy to Start Sea Trials
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The first of two MEKO Frigates built by Germany's ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems (TKMS) in Kiel appears ready to start her first sea trials according to ship spotter pictures. The vessel, designated MEKO A-200 AN Frigate, was launched in early December 2014. Algeria ordered two frigates (with an option for two more) in March 2012. The weapons fit selected by the Algerian Navy is quite powerfull for this type of vessel.
http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.ph ... ew&id=2918

Unusual weapons fit for a Frigate

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Very similar to the original plans for the Swedish Visbys

the new class of frigate is set be heavily armed:
» 1x Oto Melara 127/64 LW 127mm main gun (possibly with VULCANO ammunition)
» 2x MSI 30mm guns (possibly SEAHAWK A2 model)
» 16x SAAB RBS 15 Mk3 anti-ship missiles
» 32x VLS for Denel Umkhonto-IR surface to air missiles
» 2x MU90 torpedo launchers
» 4x Rheinmetall MASS decoy launchers
» Possibly 2x Sagem NGDS decoy launchers (on each side of the VLS cells, this seems unlikely however with the MASS system already in place)

Based on the model, sensor suite includes:
» SAAB Sea Giraffe AMB 3-D surveillance radar
» Thales UMS4132 Kingklip hull mounted sonar
» SAAB CEROS 200 optronic/fire control radar

It is unclear at this time who will provide the combat management system but it will likely be SAAB's 9LV or Thales' TACTICOS

When Sweden was disarming (the time when even the dogs went smiling on the streets in Russia) the ships were close to cancellation, but instead were produced along a drawn out schedule and stripped of much of the planned armament
- they were/ are much smaller though (hence only a 57mm main gun)
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Boost for the fine, albeit heavy, HK417:
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The Armchair Soldier wrote:German Typhoons escorting the Queen today:

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Wow. Who knew the Queen was a Spurs fan?! (Note the plane registry!)

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German Army to Phase Out G36 Rifle From 2019
Defence Minister Ursula von der Leyen announced on Tuesday that the government will scrap the G36, the Bundeswehr's (German army) standard rifle, following revelations about serious defects in its accuracy.

"We've decided to make a clear break and we did this in agreement with the military hierarchy," said the Christian Democratic Union (CDU) politician.

Von der Leyen announced at the start of April that the G36, made by Heckler and Koch, had no future in its current form in the Bundeswehr due to the fact that it lost accuracy at high temperatures and during sustained fire.

But it remained unclear whether the 167,000 G36 assault rifles which the Bundeswehr currently relies upon as standard issues weapons for soldiers would be scrapped or upgraded.

"After almost 20 years with the G36, we want a new generation of rifles for the army," von der Leyen said of the decision.

"The new weapon should meet modern requirements and be an improvement on the G36. There will also be an open and transparent application process for the contract," she said.
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TKMS representatives at MPSO 2015 explained that one of the requirements of the German Navy when designing the 212 was to have "no limitations in dived condition anywhere in the Baltic sea". German Navy Type 212As routinely dive immediately after leaving their Eckernförde base despite the shallow littoral waters which proves that the submarine is adapted to operations in the Baltic sea. In addition, they explained that "our fuel cell technology has already been proven with many customers and NATO navies".
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Nobody from Raytheon at MSPO was willing to comment on the Tomahawk request by Poland. Navy Recognition understand the U.S. Government has yet to make a final decision. So far, the United States exported its cruise missile to only one foreign customer: The United Kingdom, one of their closest allies. We raised the issue to the TKMS representative and asked what would happen to their bid should the U.S. refuse to export Tomahawk missiles to Poland. They replied that "TKMS is confident it can integrate any type of cruise missile selected by the Polish government". This raises other questions however. Would France be ready to export its cruise missile technology for integration on a non-French submarine ?
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For the Orka program, TKMS is proposing a number of optional equipment to further increase the capabilities of the Type 212A SSK. One of these optional equipment is the IDAS (Interactive Defence and Attack System for Submarines) missile.
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With the planned decommissioning of the Polish Navy's four Kobben (Type 207) class submarines by the end of 2016 and of the ORP Orzel (Kilo class) in 2022, TKMS explained that Germany has offered Poland access to the German Navy 212 Submarine full scale simulator (located at the Germany Navy submarine training center in Eckernförde). In addition Germany is proposing to lease one or two German Navy Type 212A to the Polish Navy for the purpose of transition until completion of the Orka program.
http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.ph ... ew&id=3076

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what is the German rival of the Type 26 Frigate?

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Bundesheer is looking ahead for a replacement for its CH53.GA's.

http://www.janes.com/article/56379/germ ... ht-forward

An obvious choice could be the CH53K which has not long began its testing phase.

A while back Airbus helicopters (EADS) was looking to design a heavy lift helicopter. Not heard anything for a long while?

http://www.airbushelicopters.com/websit ... _1771.html
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marktigger wrote:what is the German rival of the Type 26 Frigate?
In the ASW role, the Brandenburg class and Bremen class (which is being replaced by the Type 125 Baden-Württemberg class in the GP role).

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Germany Aims to Develop New Fighters to Replace Tornados
Germany aims to hold talks with European partners in 2016 to develop a new fighter to replace Tornado fighter jets.

Reuters reported that a draft document by the Defense Ministry on ‘military aviation strategy’ said it was still unclear whether the new jet would be manned or unmanned.

The jet would be designed for both options and will be then flown with or without a pilot based on the type of deployment, the news agency reported Sunday.
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The Armchair Soldier wrote:Germany Aims to Develop New Fighters to Replace Tornados
Germany aims to hold talks with European partners in 2016 to develop a new fighter to replace Tornado fighter jets.

Reuters reported that a draft document by the Defense Ministry on ‘military aviation strategy’ said it was still unclear whether the new jet would be manned or unmanned.

The jet would be designed for both options and will be then flown with or without a pilot based on the type of deployment, the news agency reported Sunday.
Read More: http://www.defenseworld.net/news/14904/ ... ngOfvmLSUl
If this is something which is due to be around in the mid 2030s, could it become the Typhoon replacement? Considering Typhoon's OSD is 2040.

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...what.

Seriously, what.

Well. This is going to be interesting to see, given neither the UK nor France is likely to be involved.

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The UK, French and Italians are sorted. Mix of Typhoon, F-35, Rafale and future UCAV. Swedes have Gripen. Doesn't leave many for Jerry to play with. They did sign up to develop a UCAV with France. Good luck with that. :?

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Is there a future need for a bomber that can carry the payload of the Tornado ? presently escorted in Syria by the Typhoon ,considering the long time of development, Typhoon and Rafale could be approaching replacement consideration themselves .
Certainly the Russian and Chinese airforces have been able to develop some interesting long range aircraft that will do this with some measure of stealth

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Couldn't they just buy another sixty or so Typhoon's and push the development of AtG capabilities?

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Pseudo wrote:Couldn't they just buy another sixty or so Typhoon's and push the development of AtG capabilities?
That's what befuddles me.

They stopped buying as many because "cost", but now want to spend even more to get something probably only as good, if not worse?

If they had kept on with Typhoon, the plane would be cheaper, the production facilities would still be open from 2018 and they'd have something a hell of a lot quicker that would stand an even greater chance of export due to confident support by its home nations.

I swear, it always seems to be Germany with this damn plane...

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