Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

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Which Anti-Ship Missile Should be Selected for the Type 26?

Lockheed Martin LRASM
158
54%
Kongsberg NSM
65
22%
Boeing Harpoon Next Gen
43
15%
MBDA Exocet Blk III
19
6%
None (stick to guided ammo and FASGW from Helicopters)
8
3%
 
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No mention of the 24 MK41 silo's. I assume that is because we don't yet know what is going into them :-

https://www.forces.net/news/virtual-tou ... eing-built

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Apart from knowing what is immediately available for RN use (in UK weapon stocks), what is actually in the MK41 Silos should be classified, in order to keep potential enemies guessing as to whether they are all either AAW or ASW or ASuW or LA OR any combination of these. :mrgreen:

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If we were talking Mk57 or something bigger to carry beefier hypersonic weapons then you might be on to something, but Mk41 (and contents) are pretty known quantities these days. I doubt strategic misdirection is the intent behind ignoring Mk41.

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I though that it was rather definite that the Anglo-french storm shadow replacement missile will be housed in the Mk 41's.

For anti-ship and land attack.

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New video ..


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Would like to see eight or sixteen AShMs on top of the Mission Bay aft of the funnel.

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Look like HMS Glasgow building is proceeding well. Good photo, by George.


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donald_of_tokyo wrote:Look like HMS Glasgow building is proceeding well. Good photo, by George.

Peered through my magnifying glass, no sign of Bob :(

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Found him, he's working on the other one inside ...

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What about Bob IV (On the flight deck of the future HMS Glasgow ? You must have put your magnifying lens to your “Bad” eye ! :lol:

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Scimitar54 wrote:What about Bob IV (On the flight deck of the future HMS Glasgow ? You must have put your magnifying lens to your “Bad” eye ! :lol:
Still can't see him :( Must have two bad eyes.

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Midway across the end of the container (Yellow Hat & High-Viz Vest! :mrgreen:

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(Forces News) 17th October 2021
Visualisation technology used to design the new Type 26 ships before cutting steel has given Forces News the chance to explore the City-class frigate.

Replacing the current Type 23s after about 30 years, the Global Combat Ships will be larger, better armed and more advanced than the Navy's current model.

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SKB wrote:Replacing the current Type 23s after about 30 years, the Global Combat Ships will be larger, better armed and more advanced than the Navy's current model.
Unlike the T31’s……

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Poiuytrewq wrote:
SKB wrote:Replacing the current Type 23s after about 30 years, the Global Combat Ships will be larger, better armed and more advanced than the Navy's current model.
Unlike the T31’s……
What are talking about Type 31 will be Larger than a Type 23 and in some areas will be more advanced than the T-23 GP's and if given the right amount of CAMM will be better armed than a T-23 GP

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Tempest414 wrote:What are talking about…
- The T31 will not be fitted with a hull mounted sonar.

- The 57mm will not be suitable for NGS unlike the Mk8 or the Mk45.

- The T31 will have a hull that is not acoustically optimised and noisy CODAD propulsion. Unlike the T23 or the T26.

- The T31 will not be fitted with any AShM.

-The T31 will have 12CAMM as opposed to 32 on the T23 and 48 on the T26.
…in some areas will be more advanced than the T-23 GP's
Which areas are those?

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Poiuytrewq wrote:
Tempest414 wrote:What are talking about…
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The T31 will not be fitted with a hull mounted sonar.

We don't know this as Fact yet however T-31 will get unmanned systems that type 23 has not got

- The 57mm will not be suitable for NGS unlike the Mk8 or the Mk45.

Different gun for a different job and in real terms the Mk-8 is a dead end

- The T31 will have a hull that is not acoustically optimised and noisy CODAD propulsion. Unlike the T23 or the T26.

Know really you don't say

- The T31 will not be fitted with any AShM.

Come on weak at best look round NO ship in the RN is fitted with a up to date SSGW or even the out of date Harpoon

-The T31 will have 12CAMM as opposed to 32 on the T23 and 48 on the T26.

It was clearly stated by Babcocks that the RN has not made up its mind how meanly CAMM T-31 will carry
…in some areas will be more advanced than the T-23 GP's
Which areas are those?
In its ability to operate off board system for a start

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Scimitar54 wrote:Midway across the end of the container (Yellow Hat & High-Viz Vest! :mrgreen:
You do have sharp eyes! Mind you, I was looking at the other photos :(

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Tempest414 wrote:
Poiuytrewq wrote:
Tempest414 wrote:What are talking about…
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The T31 will not be fitted with a hull mounted sonar.

We don't know this as Fact yet however T-31 will get unmanned systems that type 23 has not got

- The 57mm will not be suitable for NGS unlike the Mk8 or the Mk45.

Different gun for a different job and in real terms the Mk-8 is a dead end

- The T31 will have a hull that is not acoustically optimised and noisy CODAD propulsion. Unlike the T23 or the T26.

Know really you don't say

- The T31 will not be fitted with any AShM.

Come on weak at best look round NO ship in the RN is fitted with a up to date SSGW or even the out of date Harpoon

-The T31 will have 12CAMM as opposed to 32 on the T23 and 48 on the T26.

It was clearly stated by Babcocks that the RN has not made up its mind how meanly CAMM T-31 will carry
…in some areas will be more advanced than the T-23 GP's
Which areas are those?
In its ability to operate off board system for a start
Did you miss this?


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Poiuytrewq wrote:Tempest414 wrote:
What are talking about…
- The T31 will not be fitted with a hull mounted sonar.

- The 57mm will not be suitable for NGS unlike the Mk8 or the Mk45.

- The T31 will have a hull that is not acoustically optimised and noisy CODAD propulsion. Unlike the T23 or the T26.

- The T31 will not be fitted with any AShM.

-The T31 will have 12CAMM as opposed to 32 on the T23 and 48 on the T26.
…in some areas will be more advanced than the T-23 GP's
Which areas are those?
Such a fantasy fleetist response.

As already said, just by nature of the hugely increased internal volume, far more opportunities for offboard systems and future growth. There will also be huge improvements in habitability with fewer crew required for a much larger platform, which I know doesn't mean anything if all you're interested in is counting missiles. It does matter if you're interested in recruiting and retention.

Greater endurance and range, which counts if you're forward deployed.

And as for the fantasy fleet list above. There is nothing inherent in the Type 31 design that stops it having a hull-mounted sonar, anti-ship missiles or more CAMM. There are big margins to accommodate them. And don't forget some Type 23s are carrying hull mounted sonar but not the crew to operate them and most Type 23s seem to be operating currently without Harpoon.

As for the Type 23's gun. It's a 1970s one trick pony. How much use would it be against a drone swarm? It's a trade-off because everything is, but the gun armament on Type 31 will be fantastically more adaptable than on Type 23, with programmable ammunition already here and the prospect of guided ammunition in the future, which the Mk 8 is never going to have.

As for the propulsion. It will be far simpler and more robust than the Type 23s. It's not meant to be a specialist anti-sub platform.

But more than anything, Type 23 availability has been dreadful for the last several years, partly because of the need for power upgrades because the systems onboard can't cope.

Vice Admiral Chris Gardner, Director General Ships, was interviewed last week and said about Type 31 (and I precis):

We will insert capability into those platforms throughout life... it will genuinely work.... the maintainability and the supportability of that platform, just by virtue of the design being simpler and cheaper creates room for me to be able to provide a better support solution for the same amount of money that I’m currently spending on Type 23s... that will drive up overall availability which means we can sweat the asset harder with the crewing model that we’ll be moving to.

https://www.rnrmc.org.uk/news/audience- ... is-gardner

In other words, if you're running a navy, being able to get ships at sea counts.

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All well and good, but that needs to be adding genuine new capability (i.e. remedying the FFBNW) to make them genuine GP Frigates

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Double crewing reduces the number of hulls available in a crisis or in wartime, Nelson’s comment about “for lack of Frigates might then be better appreciated by “those who will not see”. It is likely however, to be Too Late. How does it reduce the number of hulls? Because far from having a crew size of “X”, the crew size is actually “2X” with the second “X” unable to go to sea because there is nothing to go to sea in. Sizing the RN Fleet for peacetime is a terrible mistake! :idea:

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