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ArmChairCivvy wrote:This is good, as there is some traceability (and how the commentators shrunk that to 7 bn has not been explained at all) of what is being planned as opposed to 'Business as Usual'

Maybe that's the extent of financial holes in MoD?

So it is time for a new Fantasy fleet

Royal Navy

4 x SSBN
8 x SSN
10 x Unmanned SSK ( U-SSK ) ( role Atlantic and LRG ASW )
2 x Carriers
2 x LHA's ( 230 x 40 meter )
3 x Cruiser's ( 180 x 22 meters 3 x 127mm , 4 x 57mm , 120 VLS , ABM capable ) role Littoral area denial and NGFS for the LSG's
8 x AAW Frigates ( based on type 26)
9 x ASW frigates ( Type 26 )
10 x Type 31/32 Frigates
8 x MHPC
4 x River B2's
2 x Multi role survey
1 x Ice breaker
12 x 30 meter fast patrol boats

RFA

6 x MRSS
3 x SSS
4 x Tide class tankers
2 x U-SSK/ USV tenders
4 x Point class

These would split into groups

2 x CSG's of 1 x Carrier , 2 x AAW frigates , 3 x ASW frigates , 1 x SSN , 1 x SSS , 1 x tanker , 1 x MRSS
2 x LSG's of 1 x LHA , 1 x Cruiser , 2 x type 32 , 1 x MRSS , 1 x Tanker , 2 x U-SSK
2 x Global patrol squadrons 2 x type 31 , 4 x MHPC
1 x Home patrol squadron 1 x Cruiser , 4 x AAW frigates , 3 x type 26 , 1 x type 31 , 1 x type 32 , 4 x River class , 12 x fast patrol boats

I might as well have a go;

Royal Navy:

4x Dreadnought class SSBN.
5x Churchill class SSN *.
8x Oberon class large UUV* (ASW/ASuW/Land Attack).
2x Ark Royal class LHA*.
6x T-83 County Class DDG* (AAW).
5x T-26 B3 Town Class* (ASW/AAW).
8x T-26 B1 & B2 Town class (ASW).
8x T-31 B1 & B2 Battle Class* (ASuW).
8x Loch class MHPC*.
3x River B3 class*.
4x River B2 Class.
2x Darwin class Multi-role Survey Vessels*.
16x Bird class Fast Patrol/Training Boats*.

Royal Fleet Auxiliary:

6x Hermes class MRSS*.
3x Fort class SSS*.
4x Tide class Tankers.
2x Admiral class USV/UUV Tenders*.
2x Knight class Ro-Ro vessels*.

On charters:

4x Point class Ro-Ro vessels.

* defines vessels not currently under development and/or contract.

What do people think, fantasy I know but it would give the Royal Navy the numbers it needs to cover its planned commitments with a reserve to cover contingencies, as well as a RFA able to support these?

Where is the (existing) 5th B2 River Class going to end up in all of these fantasy fleets?

They are fantasy, use your imagination, maybe it has been converted to the new Royal boat.

Well if they are fantasy, why don’t you all add one or two zeroes to the quantities of each class? Fantasy Fleets in this context should be “what you would really like to see”. Although I do see that some posters on this occasion seem to want to completely lose any connection with reality.

Ok, why not…

CASD

4 x SSBNs

Home / Atlantic Fleet

5 x Astute SSNs
3 x T45/T83 AAW Destroyers
3 x T23/T26 ASW Frigates
5 x B2 Rivers
3 x Small PSV MCM motherships
1 x MROSS
1 x Small Survey Ship (Magpie)
16 x Fast Patrol Craft
12 x ASW XLUUV
2 x RFA RM Aviation / Littoral Support Ship

2 Carrier Battle Groups capable of global power projection each with:

1 x QE Class
1 x (converted Vanguard) SSGN
2 x Astute SSNs
3 x T45/T83 AAW Destroyers
3 x T23/T26 ASW Frigates
2 x RFA Tankers
2 x RFA SSSs

Global Army Brigade Amphibious Group

3 x RFA Bay LSDs
2 x RFA enhanced Bay LSDs (with hangars and larger well docks)
4 x Point Class

Caribbean and APT(S)

2 x T31/B3 Rivers
1 x large Ice Patrol / Survey Ship
6 x XLUUVs
1 x RFA Tanker

Mediterranean

2 x T31/B3 Rivers
4 x Fast Patrol Craft
2 x Large PSV MCM motherships
6 x XLUUVs
1 x RFA RM Aviation / Littoral Support Ship

Gulf / Indian Ocean

2 x T31/B3 Rivers
2 x Large PSV MCM motherships
1 x large Survey Ship
6 x XLUUVs
1 x RFA Tanker
1 x RFA RM Aviation / Littoral Support Ship

Far East

2 x T31/B3 Rivers
2 x Large PSV MCM motherships
1 x large Survey Ship
6 x XLUUVs
1 x RFA Tanker
1 x RFA RM Aviation / Littoral Support Ship

Sorry I forgot to add the four Battleships!

I was more than happy to add 2 x LHA's and 3 x Cruiser's in fact I will name them

Glorious Class LHA's = HMS Glorious & HMS Courageous
Loin Class 5" Cruiser's = HMS Lion , HMS Tiger & HMS Panther ( The return of the Navies Big Cats )

Did you not mean 40?, You must have forgotten to add the zero!

CASD:
4 x SSBNs

N'lant:
4 x Astute SSNs
2 x T83 AAW Destroyers
3 x T26 ASW Frigates
2 x T32 (with MCM USV role)
2 x B2+ Rivers
2 x Small PSV MCM motherships
1 x MROSS
1 x Small Survey Ship (Magpie)
16 x Fast Patrol Craft
4 x ASW XLUUV
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1 x LPD (4dock)
1 x LSD (1dock)
1 x BMT Elida (1dock)
1 x Commando21 (mech)
1 x Commando (littoral)
2 x Strike XLUUV
2 x Point

Two Carrier Battle Groups capable of global power projection:
2 x QE Class
4 x Astute SSNs
4 x T83 AAW Destroyers
6 x T26 ASW Frigates
2 x T32 (with MCM USV role)
2 x RFA Tankers
2 x RFA SSSs

Caribbean and S'lant:
2 x B2+ River
1 x large Ice Patrol / Survey Ship
1 x RFA Tanker

Mediterranean:
4 x Fast Patrol Craft
2 x Small PSV MCM motherships
2 x ASW XLUUV

Gulf / Indian Ocean:
2 x T32 (with MCM USV role)
2 x B2+ Rivers
2 x Small PSV MCM motherships
4 x Fast Patrol Craft
2 x ASW XLUUV
1 x RFA Tanker
1 x large Survey Ship
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1 x LPD (4dock)
1 x LSD (1dock)
1 x BMT Elida (1dock)
1 x Commando21 (mech)
1 x Commando (littoral)
2 x Strike XLUUV
2 x Point

Far East:
Nothing permanent - but routine deployments from Gulf / Indian Ocean fleet.

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4 ssbn
14 ssn

4 ocean derived lha

18 escorts based on type 31 hull. Towed/hull sonar, 4D radar, 32 cell vls, 16 box launchers, 57mm main gun and 2x40mm guns

6 ellida derived log vessels
6 tankers

6 RSS Attenborough derived survey ships.

12 MCM systems platform agnostic.