ArmChairCivvy wrote:This is good, as there is some traceability (and how the commentators shrunk that to 7 bn has not been explained at all) of what is being planned as opposed to 'Business as Usual'
Maybe that's the extent of financial holes in MoD?
Fortune favors brave sir, said Carrot cheerfully.
What's her position about heavily armed, well prepared and overmanned armies?
Oh, noone's ever heard of Fortune favoring them, sir.
According to General Tacticus, it's because they favor themselves…
4 x SSBN
8 x SSN
10 x Unmanned SSK ( U-SSK ) ( role Atlantic and LRG ASW )
2 x Carriers
2 x LHA's ( 230 x 40 meter )
3 x Cruiser's ( 180 x 22 meters 3 x 127mm , 4 x 57mm , 120 VLS , ABM capable ) role Littoral area denial and NGFS for the LSG's
8 x AAW Frigates ( based on type 26)
9 x ASW frigates ( Type 26 )
10 x Type 31/32 Frigates
8 x MHPC
4 x River B2's
2 x Multi role survey
1 x Ice breaker
12 x 30 meter fast patrol boats
RFA
6 x MRSS
3 x SSS
4 x Tide class tankers
2 x U-SSK/ USV tenders
4 x Point class
These would split into groups
2 x CSG's of 1 x Carrier , 2 x AAW frigates , 3 x ASW frigates , 1 x SSN , 1 x SSS , 1 x tanker , 1 x MRSS
2 x LSG's of 1 x LHA , 1 x Cruiser , 2 x type 32 , 1 x MRSS , 1 x Tanker , 2 x U-SSK
2 x Global patrol squadrons 2 x type 31 , 4 x MHPC
1 x Home patrol squadron 1 x Cruiser , 4 x AAW frigates , 3 x type 26 , 1 x type 31 , 1 x type 32 , 4 x River class , 12 x fast patrol boats
4x Dreadnought class SSBN.
5x Churchill class SSN *.
8x Oberon class large UUV* (ASW/ASuW/Land Attack).
2x Ark Royal class LHA*.
6x T-83 County Class DDG* (AAW).
5x T-26 B3 Town Class* (ASW/AAW).
8x T-26 B1 & B2 Town class (ASW).
8x T-31 B1 & B2 Battle Class* (ASuW).
8x Loch class MHPC*.
3x River B3 class*.
4x River B2 Class.
2x Darwin class Multi-role Survey Vessels*.
16x Bird class Fast Patrol/Training Boats*.
Royal Fleet Auxiliary:
6x Hermes class MRSS*.
3x Fort class SSS*.
4x Tide class Tankers.
2x Admiral class USV/UUV Tenders*.
2x Knight class Ro-Ro vessels*.
On charters:
4x Point class Ro-Ro vessels.
* defines vessels not currently under development and/or contract.
What do people think, fantasy I know but it would give the Royal Navy the numbers it needs to cover its planned commitments with a reserve to cover contingencies, as well as a RFA able to support these?
Well if they are fantasy, why don’t you all add one or two zeroes to the quantities of each class? Fantasy Fleets in this context should be “what you would really like to see”. Although I do see that some posters on this occasion seem to want to completely lose any connection with reality.
5 x Astute SSNs
3 x T45/T83 AAW Destroyers
3 x T23/T26 ASW Frigates
5 x B2 Rivers
3 x Small PSV MCM motherships
1 x MROSS
1 x Small Survey Ship (Magpie)
16 x Fast Patrol Craft
12 x ASW XLUUV
2 x RFA RM Aviation / Littoral Support Ship
2 Carrier Battle Groups capable of global power projection each with:
1 x QE Class
1 x (converted Vanguard) SSGN
2 x Astute SSNs
3 x T45/T83 AAW Destroyers
3 x T23/T26 ASW Frigates
2 x RFA Tankers
2 x RFA SSSs
Global Army Brigade Amphibious Group
3 x RFA Bay LSDs
2 x RFA enhanced Bay LSDs (with hangars and larger well docks)
4 x Point Class
Caribbean and APT(S)
2 x T31/B3 Rivers
1 x large Ice Patrol / Survey Ship
6 x XLUUVs
1 x RFA Tanker
Mediterranean
2 x T31/B3 Rivers
4 x Fast Patrol Craft
2 x Large PSV MCM motherships
6 x XLUUVs
1 x RFA RM Aviation / Littoral Support Ship
Gulf / Indian Ocean
2 x T31/B3 Rivers
2 x Large PSV MCM motherships
1 x large Survey Ship
6 x XLUUVs
1 x RFA Tanker
1 x RFA RM Aviation / Littoral Support Ship
Far East
2 x T31/B3 Rivers
2 x Large PSV MCM motherships
1 x large Survey Ship
6 x XLUUVs
1 x RFA Tanker
1 x RFA RM Aviation / Littoral Support Ship
”We have no eternal allies, and we have no perpetual enemies. Our interests are eternal and perpetual, and those interests it is our duty to follow." - Lord Palmerston
I was more than happy to add 2 x LHA's and 3 x Cruiser's in fact I will name them
Glorious Class LHA's = HMS Glorious & HMS Courageous
Loin Class 5" Cruiser's = HMS Lion , HMS Tiger & HMS Panther ( The return of the Navies Big Cats )
N'lant:
4 x Astute SSNs
2 x T83 AAW Destroyers
3 x T26 ASW Frigates
2 x T32 (with MCM USV role)
2 x B2+ Rivers
2 x Small PSV MCM motherships
1 x MROSS
1 x Small Survey Ship (Magpie)
16 x Fast Patrol Craft
4 x ASW XLUUV
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1 x LPD (4dock)
1 x LSD (1dock)
1 x BMT Elida (1dock)
1 x Commando21 (mech)
1 x Commando (littoral)
2 x Strike XLUUV
2 x Point
Two Carrier Battle Groups capable of global power projection:
2 x QE Class
4 x Astute SSNs
4 x T83 AAW Destroyers
6 x T26 ASW Frigates
2 x T32 (with MCM USV role)
2 x RFA Tankers
2 x RFA SSSs
Caribbean and S'lant:
2 x B2+ River
1 x large Ice Patrol / Survey Ship
1 x RFA Tanker
Mediterranean:
4 x Fast Patrol Craft
2 x Small PSV MCM motherships
2 x ASW XLUUV
Gulf / Indian Ocean:
2 x T32 (with MCM USV role)
2 x B2+ Rivers
2 x Small PSV MCM motherships
4 x Fast Patrol Craft
2 x ASW XLUUV
1 x RFA Tanker
1 x large Survey Ship
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1 x LPD (4dock)
1 x LSD (1dock)
1 x BMT Elida (1dock)
1 x Commando21 (mech)
1 x Commando (littoral)
2 x Strike XLUUV
2 x Point
Far East:
Nothing permanent - but routine deployments from Gulf / Indian Ocean fleet.