FV430 Armoured Vehicles (British Army)

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Tempest414 wrote:With Bulldog now staying until 2030 should we look to upgrade them with RWS systems with 12.7 HMG and 40mm GMG

also could we do a limited upgrade of Warrior by removing the turrets and fitting RWS with 30mm. Then as Warrior goes out of service these RWS mount could be fitted to other vehicles
Depends what you expect Bulldog to be doing. I really don't expect it to be getting into the fight.

Remove the turret from warrior and you've got to completely reconfigure the inside to allow for the commander and gunner (assuming they're operating the RWS).

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RunningStrong wrote:Depends what you expect Bulldog to be doing. I really don't expect it to be getting into the fight.
For me its about being able to offer some support as we know some of Bulldogs were fitted with RWS's in there 2006/7 refit and the troops liked them at the time plus there looks like there will little to support the Bulldogs
RunningStrong wrote:Remove the turret from warrior and you've got to completely reconfigure the inside to allow for the commander and gunner (assuming they're operating the RWS).
If this is the case then I would not bother

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Tempest414 wrote:
RunningStrong wrote:Depends what you expect Bulldog to be doing. I really don't expect it to be getting into the fight.
For me its about being able to offer some support as we know some of Bulldogs were fitted with RWS's in there 2006/7 refit and the troops liked them at the time plus there looks like there will little to support the Bulldogs
But that was pre-AJAX/Ares and pre-Boxer days. I'll be really worried if we're still fronting Bulldogs even in 2025.

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RunningStrong wrote:I'll be really worried if we're still fronting Bulldogs even in 2025.
The way this lot are going plus the speed of the current programs I would not be shocked if bulldog was still holding the line in 2040

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Tempest414 wrote:why not even if its every one in three giving some the ability to shoot on the move
I agree that at platoon level there should be immediate means for 'suppression' to hand.
And over 500 Bulldogs were mechanically renewed (did they all get the Israeli armour package, too?); not all can have been in heavy use since
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Probably means the FV432m will remain in service for longer than expected providing the integral indirect fire support within the Mechanised Infantry Battalions, regardless that they will have trouble keeping up. I suppose eventually we will get a Boxer Mortar platform but I can see it not reaching IOC until after 2030, let alone FOC.

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The future of Armoured Infantry is interesting, the Army (and its chief at the RUSI land warfare conference) just keep saying @boxer is not a like for like replacement for Warrior
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Probably because saying that means they will be seen to have cocked up the WCSP and had to cancel it and rely on Boxer instead. But this way they can say Warrior didn't fit the Army's future vision for war fighting and was therefore cancelled, with Boxer becoming the Army's main Infantry carrier but not an IFV, but something better than and APC also.

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Lord Jim wrote:therefore cancelled, with Boxer becoming the Army's main Infantry carrier but not an IFV
With MBTs few in number and no autocannons in support, to help with suppressing opposing infantry further out than MGs reach
... means giving ATGW teams a lot of opportunities

If Ajax pulls thru, then the cannons will be fielded, but using a pricey recce wagon for the task would seem wasteful (esp. as Ch3s will have sensors pretty much on par with Ajax's)
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Maybe some unmanned wing men equipped with autocannon and precision rockets would do the job. Prototypes of such tracked UGVs are already undergoing trial in the US with the US Army. Having these operating with both the Armour and Infantry in the Heavy and Light BCT, and being modular regarding their armament and sensor fit would solve a lot to the British Army's capability gaps and greatly increase the fire power of all formations including Airmobile if it can fit in and be carried by a Chinook.

Maybe that is where the Army is heading post 2030?

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