8k rounds and 40,000km over how many vehicles?
Plus what does “availability” mean in this instance?
You could ask Pagey, he does respond on twitter.
That’s a photo of actual hardware that existed at the time of the bid.
It’s a puzzling decision, to be sure, but I wouldn’t be so quick to jump on the “incompetence” line.
LM did not have a working turret when they won both the Ajax and Warrior contracts. Why do you think that?mr.fred wrote: ↑06 Dec 2021, 12:36That’s a photo of actual hardware that existed at the time of the bid.
Presumably the MoD had opportunity to look at it?
Here’s a photo of the second prototype during the contract
Which did a bunch of firing trials. The turret shell changed soon afterIt’s a puzzling decision, to be sure, but I wouldn’t be so quick to jump on the “incompetence” line.
Seems odd offering a Brit advice on English Anyhoo, the question is:, why do you think that LM had a working turret at the time of the competition when they did not?
Can't physically be the same but the original idea was to have a great deal of commonality between the two and that would be achieved by selecting the same turret supplier for both competitions. I suspect LM & GD between them threw that idea out of the window.
I think that LM had a physical turret at the time of the competition, as evidenced by the contemporary photographs. I assume that the MoD would have had access to it, which is kind of what I said, or at least intended to say.
LM blew the WCSP demo budget on demo of the WCSP...BB85 wrote: ↑07 Dec 2021, 21:46 I could he making that up about the turrets actually, I know the Ajax turrets are almost all manufactured. I doubt LM produced many for the warrior without the production contract being signed. Although I would like to know how the blew most of the CSP budget on so few vehicles.
The 250 canons are probably rusting in a warehouse right now.
Unfortunately that's not correct. Like GD with their Ajax bid, LM's was only accompanied by a pile of slides & sweet promises.
You are correct, there isn't a large warehouse filled with Warrior turrets. No production contract was ever signed so none were made.BB85 wrote: ↑07 Dec 2021, 21:46 I could he making that up about the turrets actually, I know the Ajax turrets are almost all manufactured. I doubt LM produced many for the warrior without the production contract being signed. Although I would like to know how the blew most of the CSP budget on so few vehicles.
The 250 canons are probably rusting in a warehouse right now.
I recall seeing those pictures at the time of the bid.