New Zealand Defence Force

[ArmChairCivvy]

A400M a Possible given the Kiwi interest in C17 earlier this year

I don't think someone giving up production slots will be much of a problem, should they pursue this option. In the Defence Treaty they belong to, the UK and Malaysia already operate the type.

[GibMariner]

A400M a Possible given the Kiwi interest in C17 earlier this year

I don't think someone giving up production slots will be much of a problem, should they pursue this option. In the Defence Treaty they belong to, the UK and Malaysia already operate the type.

I think Germany and Spain were looking to sell off around a dozen each from their total orders. In Spain's case, the decision on what do do with the 13 "surplus" A400M has been deferred until 2024 after their 14th and final A400M is delivered in 2022.

[marktigger]

yeap but shifting 5 to the right could be of benefit to spain's finances and Germany's to

[GibMariner]

yeap but shifting 5 to the right could be of benefit to spain's finances and Germany's to

That is what I was thinking of, Spain might be amenable to such an arrangement. I'm not sure if they could formally negotiate such a deal with New Zealand at this time however, due to still being without a new government after two indecisive general elections since December last year.

[marktigger]

it would be nice to see but i suspect the Kiwis will try and keep as much commonality with the australians

[ArmChairCivvy]

I think it is a two-stage process:
- giving up production slots (you can regain them for much later years)
- this means both Germany and Spain could be involved (pro rata to their GDPs? or their total orders for A400Ms?)
- the deal itself is still with the manufacturer, you just need to get clearance within the multi-state umbrella agreement
- one amendment of that agreement was the semi-equity inserted, to shore up the programme. If the planes come from within the agreed quota, the monies will not be affected. Should they be a "virgin" sale, the profits will need to contribute to repayments on that facility

[R686]

And the propaganda battle has started in earnest for the NZ air mobilty program.

Would be interesting to see what they have to say, any Kiwis here able to attended?


http://www.raes.org.nz/files/docs/nz%20 ... litary.pdf

Also wonder if they are going to put both C295 and A400M up?

[ArmChairCivvy]

Too early too google, but C295W might be an MPA/surveillance version?

The Turks fly it in an ASW config and the Finns in a roll on/off convertible version of MPA/ SigInt.

EDIT: wasn't too early after all, W simply stands for Winglets (performance enhanced version). But there should not be an automatic assumption of a substitute for A400M in the transport role, namely
"Additional versions. Intelligence, Surveillance & Reconnaissance (ISR): The C295 is also available in an “Anti Submarine Warfare” (ASW)version and an Airborne Early Warning (AEW&C) and Control fitted with the IAI/ELTA 4th Generation Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) Radar. Other C295 special versions are: Gunship(Close Air Support to ground troops, convoys, facilities, etc), Tactical Aerial Refuelling (to increase the radius of action for combat SAR or Special Ops helicopters) and SIGINT version."

[RichardIC]

NZ opts for Supacat Special Forces vehicles

http://www.australiandefence.com.au/new ... =dlvr%2Eit

[ArmChairCivvy]

Not just spares but an ability to hitch a ride inside a neighbour's Chinook:

"The new SOV-MH vehicles are based on the latest MkII version of Supacat’s HMT Extenda and provide a high level of commonality with the equivalent vehicles with other Special Forces."

[marktigger]

didn't the kiwis buy the pinzgauer for their SF first then roll the vehicle out across the armed forces?

[muttbutt]

Yep, but the NZSAS Pinzies have been well trashed over the last decade of ops so probably have 2-3 times the amount of wear and tear on them.

[R686]

I don't get how it goes from a 4x4 to a 6x6, does it connect like a powered trailer of some description?

[ArmChairCivvy]

If you mean the new purchase, aren't they two different models (ie. a factory fit)?

[R686]

If you mean the new purchase, aren't they two different models (ie. a factory fit)?

That might be the case, must have it mixed up with something else thought they were convert able between 4x4 and 6x6.

[arfah]

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[GibMariner]

New Zealand Navy tanker to feature Rolls Royce’s wave-piercing hull form

New Zealand Navy’s new 23,000t Polar-class logistics support vessel, which will replace the 30-year-old tanker HMNZS Endeavour, will become the first naval vessel to feature Rolls-Royce’s Environship leadge bow, the company announced September 20.

Rolls-Royce has signed a contract with Hyundai Heavy Industries (HHI) to provide a concept design based on the Rolls-Royce Environship leadge bow.

HHI will undertake detailed design and build the vessel as part of the NZDF’s Maritime Sustainment Capability (MSC) project, using the Rolls-Royce Environship concept design under licence.

http://navaltoday.com/2016/09/20/new-ze ... hull-form/

[GibMariner]

New Zealand Defence Force HADR operations after earthquake hits South Island:

NZDF sends HMNZS Canterbury to rescue stranded tourists


Air Force NH90s rescue tourists from quake-damaged Kaikoura


NZDF NH90s bring aid supplies to Kaikoura

[GibMariner]

NZ defence plan rectifies vague white paper

New Zealand released its 2016 Defence Capability Plan on 16 November offering some clarity on future defence projects.

It follows the release of the Defence White Paper released on 8 June by the MoD. which was short on essential details about procurement plans, but the new document rectifies that.

The announcement comes at a time when NZ defence assets and personnel are heavily involved in disaster relief efforts in the wake of a severe earthquake two days earlier.

As part of a modernisation plan out to 2030 totalling ‘close to NZ$20 billion’ ($14 billion), the New Zealand Army, Royal New Zealand Navy (RNZN) and Royal New Zealand Air Force (RNZAF) will receive an injection of new equipment.

More here: https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/defe ... nvestment/

[R686]

NZ defence plan rectifies vague white paper

New Zealand released its 2016 Defence Capability Plan on 16 November offering some clarity on future defence projects.

It follows the release of the Defence White Paper released on 8 June by the MoD. which was short on essential details about procurement plans, but the new document rectifies that.

The announcement comes at a time when NZ defence assets and personnel are heavily involved in disaster relief efforts in the wake of a severe earthquake two days earlier.

As part of a modernisation plan out to 2030 totalling ‘close to NZ$20 billion’ ($14 billion), the New Zealand Army, Royal New Zealand Navy (RNZN) and Royal New Zealand Air Force (RNZAF) will receive an injection of new equipment.

More here: https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/defe ... nvestment/

That shepherd media article makes the DCP sound awfully well funded, but if you read the actual DCP I felt a little deflated when read that spending will remain flat at about 1% of GDP out to 2030. Remains to be seen but the naval capbilty seems like a repeat of the Project Protector type situation in the making without an increase of funding across the board.

[marktigger]

Following the NZDF support post earthquake on Facebook interesting how little coverage there is of it in mainstream media. Given the International fleet review was on (with no Royal Navy participation) it was great to see the RAN, USN and RCN step up to the plate and provide lift capability.

[R686]

Following the NZDF support post earthquake on Facebook interesting how little coverage there is of it in mainstream media. Given the International fleet review was on (with no Royal Navy participation) it was great to see the RAN, USN and RCN step up to the plate and provide lift capability.

Stroke of luck that the ships and aircraft just happened to be in the area at the right time, hopefully it shows the need to invest in more rotary aircraft either more NH-90 oo calls for something heavier in a CH-47F

[GastonGlocker]

Glocks for NZ:

[R686]

I'm quite certain the Kiwis don't follow UK procurement but sometimes it does seem like they do?

For the quantities involved it would be easier just to follow the UK where appropriate, they certantly don't need to follow the ADF in everything.

[Clive F]

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articl ... aland.html

interesting