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donald_of_tokyo wrote: 29 Jun 2022, 15:52 Great movie of Te Mana!

On 0:31, you can see the top-side view of the ship. The 20-cell CAMM VLS orientation is clearly seen.

Make me feel, if will small extension out board, there should have been 24 missiles. The number of LMS-box will be the same, the software systems will be (almost) the same. Just a small cut and extension of VLS-module by, say, 1 m or less.
It's all about space available below decks with out major rearrange and refitting... and I mean major redesigns of the deck space below and where to put what is already there whether it is an office space or machine space...
donald_of_tokyo wrote: 29 Jun 2022, 15:52 RNZN frigates historically relied on helicopter launched ASM to counter enemy ships. From Marvelick missile on SH-2G to Penguin mkII on SH-2G(I). With CAMM, added with anti-surface capability, HMNZS Te Mana and Te Kaha will have an instantaneous anti-ship missile capability added, flying in Mach 3+, although with very light warhead. Looks better...
Sea Sparrow also had surface mode as well...

Difference is the Marverick was not a dedicated anti ship missile just anti surface... Penguin is dedicated anti ship.

Sea Sparrow has a slightly larger warhead, however they have gone from 8 missiles to 20 missiles

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Very impressive movie from RNZN, on their Te Kaha class frigate after modernization.


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In the movie, what is not from RNZN origin is
1: Sea Ceptor (from RN movie)
2: CIWS (not the movie taken onboard an ANZAC frigate) but the same Blk1B
3: and maybe the anti-sub torpedo launch scene
Aren't there any info about plan for test fire of CAMM/Sea Ceptor by RNZN?

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Please sir....can I have some more.....





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donald_of_tokyo wrote: 20 Jul 2022, 13:15 In the movie, what is not from RNZN origin is
1: Sea Ceptor (from RN movie)
2: CIWS (not the movie taken onboard an ANZAC frigate) but the same Blk1B
3: and maybe the anti-sub torpedo launch scene
Aren't there any info about plan for test fire of CAMM/Sea Ceptor by RNZN?
RNZN hasn't fired a Sea Ceptor yet... and not sure when there will be a test fire...

Not sure why they used that that shot of the Phalanx as there are heaps on youtube of the RNZN firing it for example?

50cals and Mini Typhoon scenes from HMNZS Te Mana
The Torpedos are RNZN from HMNZS Te Kaha goes live video
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The 3rd RNZAF P3 had its final flight today. Sorry I can not find any actual photo's of the fan fare event of the final flight...

The first of the RNZAF P-8A's Poseidon's arrives late this year and the rest next year.

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There are only a few photo's of HMNZS Aotearoa doing her thing at RIMPAC 2022... How

I have compiled them here of Reddit and here oh forgot about this one... :-/


While this is a video about HMAS Supply ... there are a few shots of HMNZS Aotearoa in it


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The OPV HMNZS Wellington and DHV HMNZS Manawanui leave Auckland for three months in the Pacific islands on a 3-month fishery protection mission.
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Three-month Pacific Islands maritime patrol mission to start next week

New Zealand naval ships and Orion aircraft will next week begin a three-month patrol mission in partnership with six Pacific Island nations.

Defence Minister Peeni Henare today announced the HMNZS Wellington offshore patrol vessel, and HMNZS Manawanui offshore support vessel would be taking part in Operation Mahi Tahi.

It will involve patrolling to deter illegal fishing, and monitoring explosive remnants of war, in partnership with Fiji, Niue, Tonga, Tuvalu and Vanuatu.

The mission would also help with fisheries sector training and capacity, humanitarian aid and disaster relief plannig, and boost engagement with the Pacific Defence Gender Network.

Henare said it would also include patrols by Orion aircraft.

"Last week's Pacific Islands Forum meeting in Fiji reinforced New Zealand's deep and long-lasting connections within the region, and reaffirmed the concept of regionalism and a Pacific-led approach to deliver regional peace and security," Henare said.

"The Pacific is who we are as well as where we are. The challenges our region faces are New Zealand's too which is why the region is both a foreign policy and defence priority for the government."

http://nighthawk.nz/index.php/news/defe ... -next-week
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RNZAF P8a First Flight

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NZDF: "HMNZS Te Kaha is dockyard's biggest project"

Interesting read... I was curious about the lack of activity report from Te Kaha, but it was this... Looks like it is a maintenance related with the Platform Systems Upgrade, and therefore not covered by the Frigate System Upgrade held in Victoria Canada. Re-building the funnels are also impressive. Babcock operates a dry-dock at the Auckland's Devonport (in/near the naval base), but this article says the Te Kaha refit took 1-year, so she was occupying the dock for year long. Surely similar work on Te Mana will follow?

https://www.nzdf.mil.nz/news/hmnzs-te-k ... t-project/

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donald_of_tokyo wrote: 01 Sep 2022, 01:38...this article says the Te Kaha refit took 1-year, so she was occupying the dock for year long.
Not necessarily in dock for the entire time. The hull plating and hoisting the engines out would be done in the dock, but other work can be done alongside the boiler wharf.
As for remaking the exhaust stacks, that should have been a simple job for any half-decent fabricator.
There seems to be a difference in capabilities between babcock's standards and when it was the Navy Dockyard.
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Cannibalizing is in everywhere... Hope they can add more spare parts. Aiming for "cost efficiency" is not bad, but it must come only after "operational efficiency" be secured.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300712 ... -in-sydney
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Very nice 360degree video of HMNZS Te Mana.

On 1:26, we can see a close-up view of SeaCeptor VLS cells, there are 20 of them.


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RNZAF receives first P-8A Poseidon aircraft
The first of four maritime patrol aircraft has touched down in New Zealand, just four years after the government secured approval for the acquisition from the United States.

Prime contractor Boeing has announced the delivery of the Royal New Zealand Air Force’s (RNZAF) first P-8A Poseidon aircraft, welcomed at a ceremony at the Museum of Flight in Blenheim. 

This comes just four years after the US State Department approved the New Zealand government’s request for four of the maritime patrol aircraft.

The three remaining aircraft are scheduled to be delivered in 2023.

The P-8 is billed as a long-range anti-submarine warfare, anti-surface warfare, intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance aircraft, capable of broad-area, maritime and littoral operations.

New Zealand’s prospective P-8A Poseidon fleet — to be based out of Royal New Zealand Air Force Base Ohakea — is set to replace its existing fleet of six P-3K2 Orions.
“As a maritime nation, delivery of the P-8A will ensure New Zealand maintains a patrol and response capability that will protect and support law enforcement in our Exclusive Economic Zone and Southern Ocean,” Sarah Minson, acting deputy secretary, capability delivery, New Zealand Ministry of Defence, said.

“The P-8A will also assist our South Pacific neighbours and deliver long-range search and rescue capability.”

Philip June, vice president and program manager, P-8 programs, said the multi-mission maritime patrol aircraft would enable New Zealand to “extend their reach into the Pacific and beyond”.

He added: “New Zealand joins eight other global customers including nearby Australia that have selected or already operate the P-8 and benefit greatly from its long-range maritime surveillance and warfare capabilities.”

Delivery of New Zealand’s first P-8A Poseidon comes just months after Boeing Defence Australia secured a contract to sustain the fleet.

The initial contract — which is set to run to September 2028 — involves the provision of engineering and supply chain services for an initial six-year period.

The head agreement includes options to deliver services throughout the life of the fleet via rolling three-year extensions, subject to performance.
http://nighthawk.nz/index.php/news/defe ... n-aircraft

Bout bloody time... the other three are due next year...
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Some pis from around the interwebs of the RNZAF P8a NZ408




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RNZAF are retiring the P-3K2 Orion early due to crew shortages


https://intl.ibtimes.com/new-zealand-de ... -gap-54770


The New Zealand Defence Force on Tuesday said it would retire five P-3K2 Orion aircraft five months earlier than planned because of staff shortages, leaving it with few planes for search, rescue and surveillance operations until at least July.

The Orion aircraft are being replaced by new Boeing P-8A Poseidon maritime patrol aircraft, with the first arriving in New Zealand on Tuesday, the remainder to be delivered by mid-2023. However, the New Zealand government said in a statement that the first Poseidon would not be ready for operations until July 1.
according to the article NZGOV are spending 1.5% on defence might be time to increase that for a pay increase to members

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Not quite as bad as what the UK did the P-8s have already started to arrive, if push come to shove I'm sure crew could be found

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R686 wrote: 13 Dec 2022, 18:36 RNZAF are retiring the P-3K2 Orion early due to crew shortages
https://intl.ibtimes.com/new-zealand-de ... -gap-54770
The New Zealand Defence Force on Tuesday said it would retire five P-3K2 Orion aircraft five months earlier than planned because of staff shortages, leaving it with few planes for search, rescue and surveillance operations until at least July.

The Orion aircraft are being replaced by new Boeing P-8A Poseidon maritime patrol aircraft, with the first arriving in New Zealand on Tuesday, the remainder to be delivered by mid-2023. However, the New Zealand government said in a statement that the first Poseidon would not be ready for operations until July 1.
according to the article NZGOV are spending 1.5% on defence might be time to increase that for a pay increase to members
Looks like, simply, RNAZF needs man-power for P-8A, and it comes from P-3K2 fleet. As the crew (on-board and ground teams) needs training before being "ready for tasks", the capability will be gaped. Simple. If not, RNZAF needs additional significant man-power, only needed for 1 year, which is pointless. But, I am not sure why RNZAF cannot keep, say, 2 P-3K2 in operation until the 1st P-8A becomes operational. Is it really man-power? Might be money?

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As does the RNZN...

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from www.facebook.com/NZNavy 24 Dec post.

HMNZS Te Mana returns home.
On 8 July HMNZS Te Mana and her 175-strong ship’s company enjoyed a ceremonial homecoming to New Zealand, after a three-year frigate systems upgrade in Canada. After leaving Esquimalt, Te Mana sailed via Vancouver, San Francisco, San Diego and Hawaii on the way back to Aotearoa.
Te Mana, and her sister ship HMNZS Te Kaha have both been upgraded and are now on a par with New Zealand’s allies, providing the Navy with an effective and future-proofed combat capability well into the 2030s.
Timeline:
▪️18 February 2019 – Te Mana leaves New Zealand for Canada
▪️12 March 2019 – Te Mana arrives in Esquimalt
▪️30 May 2022 – Te Mana departs Esquimalt
▪️8 July 2022 – Te Mana arrives in Auckland


A clear view of CAMM 20-cell VLS.

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The Royal New Zealand Air Force (RNZAF) will officially retire the first of its Lockheed C-130H Hercules tactical transport aircraft this week.


https://www.australiandefence.com.au/ne ... t%20C-130H

Can understand why if the aircraft was due deep maintenance and would have been out of service for over 12 mths save some funds

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DESA have some exRAF C130J available if anyone is interested. One careful owner new wing boxes maybe needed.

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Good job. Huge amount of cocaine...

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