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donald_of_tokyo wrote:Thanks, so its a requirement on RFI. Your point on stability is also clear.
No problem ;-)
donald_of_tokyo wrote:PS Then, how will the RRS SDA's and HMNZS Mawananui's flight deck will be used? May be when the ship is at anchor?
HMNZS Mawananui will use her flight deck in calmer seas and or at anchor in range of the helo to the main land or in an emergancy. I am not even 100% sure if Mawananui can refuel the said helo...?

RRS SDA I can't comment on
donald_of_tokyo wrote:PS2 By the way, RRS SD Attenborough does have a hanger. Interesting arrangement. (Can HMNZS Mawananui's bridge structure be "rebuilt" in future to do the same? At least, smaller hangar for UAV could be added with an arrangement alike).
See "https://i2-prod.liverpoolecho.co.uk/inc ... it-BAS.jpg"
Anything is possible... however no point as HMNZS Mawananui will only be in service for around 15 years as she is a second hand ship.

To be fair I didn't know about that on "RRS SD Attenborough" interesting... then again I have not really looked in to her capabilities.

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http://nighthawk.nz/index.php/news/defe ... fter-refit
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HMNZS Te Kaha all painted and pretty as well as CIWS re-installed...

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Does the RNZN still have access to Harpoon for its ANZACs, or where they never so equipped?

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They are "fitted for but not with" and have never been fitted or tested.

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Thanks. Do you think they will fit a AShM to the ANZACs given how the competition in the area the RNZN operates, with China is increasing and co-operation with allies becoming even more important?

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Lord Jim wrote:Thanks. Do you think they will fit a AShM to the ANZACs given how the competition in the area the RNZN operates, with China is increasing and co-operation with allies becoming even more important?
Not with this left wing greenie gubberment... :-( :evil:

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Royal New Zealand Navy: Delivering Pfizer COVID-19 vaccines to Tokelau
The 76-member crew of the HMNZS Wellington had undergone weeks of training to ensure strict safety protocols were in place to protect the islands from Covid-19.

Minister for Pacific Peoples, Aupito William Sio, was in Auckland to see the shipment off today and said the Pfizer vaccine doses can only be delivered by boat to Tokelau because of its remote location.

More than 1500 people live on Tokelau's atolls, Fakaofo, Nukuonu and Atafu but only about 1100 are eligible to get the vaccine, he said.

The navy said the journey is expected to take up to six days - first to Fakaofo, then Nukuonu and Atafu. The delivery would be from the Wellington to a helicopter and then on to land.

It would be strictly contactless - to ensure no possible transmission of the virus. Crew handling the delivery of the vaccines would be wearing Personal Protective Equipment.

The trip will cover 5000 nautical miles from Auckland's Devonport base to Tokelau.

Aupito said Covid-free Tokelau is the last of New Zealand's realm nations to begin its vaccination programme.

He said it was a challenge to reach Tokelau with the added disadvantage of Samoa's strict border controls for transit.

"That finally we're able to roll out and deliver safe and effective vaccines for the people of Tokelau.

"This is going to give them confidence and making sure that we are not only thinking about the population of Aotearoa NZ but also the population of the realm islands of NZ who are NZ citizens."

Vaccination rollout for Palmy islanders
Aupito said onboard the naval vessel are also doses enough to vaccinate about 30 residents of Palmerston North Island in the northern Cook Islands.

The Cook Islands began vaccinating on May 19, on the first day of the quarantine-free travel bubble with New Zealand.

Aupito said the trip from Tokelau to Palmy Island will take two more days.

"It's been quite challenging, talking and working with the Cook Islands government. We've now vaccinated Rarotonga, Aitutaki and now working on the southern parts of the island.

"The northern part is Palmerston North with a population of about 30. Once the Wellington delivers our vaccines to Tokelau, it will coordinate with the Cook Islands officials to deliver the vaccine to them."

Aupito said Palmerston Island had the capability to store the vaccine at -20degrees temperature.

He said the integrity of the vaccine would be maintained throughout the transportation on the ship.

"Once they reach the islands, they are then able to throw it to your normal -8degrees temperature."

Aupito said Samoa, Tonga and Tuvalu are also part of New Zealand's vaccination rollout program.

Niue began its vaccine rollout in June and is close to vaccinating its entire eligible population.

Its government is now considering vaccinating its 12 to15 year olds, pending MedSafe approval.
http://nighthawk.nz/index.php/news/defe ... ne-from-nz

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The New Zealand crew training with the P-8A Poseidon maritime patrol aircraft in Jacksonville, Florida, was recently involved in a dramatic rescue of a group of Haitians, including a baby, after their vessel capsized off the coast of Grand Bahama.
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The Royal New Zealand Air Force No. 5 Squadron crew were on board two US Navy P-8As on a maritime intelligence, surveillance, reconnaissance exercise with US Navy instructors when a radio channel lit up with a distress call from the United States Coast Guard, RNZAF Flight Lieutenant Reece Tamariki said.

In the United States, the US Navy does not generally get involved in search and rescue tasks, a role which is carried out by local police and Coast Guard.

However, No 5 Squadron’s role includes year-round, fast notice search and rescue tasks, so the Kiwis were able to offer some of their own experience and insight into search options.

A 24ft vessel had capsized, and while eight survivors and two deceased had been recovered, there were up to six more people still in the water in need of rescue.

The P-8As were 80 nautical miles north of the search area, which was just six nautical miles off Grand Bahama.

Both aircraft responded and flew south in preparation for an official request for assistance.

“The Royal Bahamian Police and US Coast Guard were already on scene, and the regional Rescue Coordination Centre was made aware of the P-8As’ positions and ability to assist. A search area was developed and the two aircraft were then requested to aid in the search,” Flight Lieutenant Tamariki said.

The capsized vessel was found initially on radar and then visually. Once the drift was assessed, both aircraft commenced a visual search for survivors in the water, unaware exactly how many people were involved, or what survival aids they might have had.

That area of ocean was dead flat, and the visibility was excellent, so the crew held a quiet confidence that if they flew overhead, they could spot survivors in the water, Flight Lieutenant Tamariki said.

“The search and rescue was unlike most missions Air Force operators are used to, with a helicopter, three fixed-wing aircraft, a Coast Guard vessel and Bahamian Police boats all on scene to assist.”

On board one of the aircraft, RNZAF Flight Sergeant Nick Rowe briefed the observers in the windows on their duties upon seeing anything in the water, and then controlled the sensors. Flight Lieutenant Tamariki coordinated the aircraft’s search while the US Navy instructors focussed on communication and deconfliction with the other aircraft.

"Upon completion of the tasked search area, and 45 minutes away from minimum gas, the aircraft were requested to return to base, refuel and head back to the search area,” Flight Lieutenant Tamariki said.

The search was eventually called off with a number of people still missing.

“The crew were sobered as a Haitian woman and a boy had died, while the survivors were taken to back to land for treatment. The event was a bleak reminder of the importance of the job No. 5 Squadron currently do with P-3K2 Orions, and will continue to do with the P-8A Poseidons.”

Eight No. 5 Squadron personnel and their families deployed to Jacksonville early last year to begin a three-year deployment working with P-8A Poseidon aircraft, training to be the first RNZAF instructors when the P-8As arrive in New Zealand in 2023.
https://www.nzdf.mil.nz/nzdf/news/kiwis ... nd-rescue/

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Lord Jim wrote:Thanks. Do you think they will fit a AShM to the ANZACs given how the competition in the area the RNZN operates, with China is increasing and co-operation with allies becoming even more important?
Without combat aircraft, New Zealand remains at risk for any conflict I have not read of how the future Poseidon aircraft are to be equipped but certainly to have the ability to deploy a missile-like Harpoon is a must

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Will they pool the Poseidon fleet with that of the RAAF sharing resources etc.? At least then they could reasonably expect to use the same ordinance as the RAAF, as well as gaining savings in training and maintenance costs.

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According to the Defence Capability Plan 2019 the RNZAF P-8A Poseidon's will be kept up to date with the latest Tech and Mods. They are suppose to be fitted for all weapons capabilities, ie; anti ship missile, (not necessarily Harpoon as it is coming to the end of its life) torpedo's and depth charges etc... but most likely like the frigates "fitted for but not with" for the long range AShM. The current Mk46 Torpedo's are due for replacement in the next year or so and most likely opting for the MK54.

As for the maintenance and training they will most likely pool some of the resources and experience with the RAAF etc... but the deal was also for spare parts and training etc... (which is why it looked expensive and what people forget... the budget also incorporated new infrastructure at Ohakea Air Base which has already started.
http://nighthawk.nz/index.php/news/defe ... or-the-p-8 (this was Oct 2020)

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Impressive. Like it !

WATCH : The remainder of HMNZS Te Mana’s crew joined the ship in Esquimalt, Canada recently and were welcomed with a powerful haka. This is the first time Te Mana has had a full ship’s company since she left Aotearoa two and a half years ago for her Frigate Systems Upgrade.
The challenge was given and accepted with passion and pride.
Ehara tāku toa i te toa takitahi, engari he toa takitini - My strength is not as an individual, but as a collective.


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Looks like the Irish Naval Service are seriously looking at the two laid up Lake Class IPV's.

http://nighthawk.nz/index.php/news/defe ... aval-ships

I notice in the article where the article says "The Royal New Zealand Navy was supplied with four of them by British shipbuilders Brooke Marine. Two have since been decommissioned."

The old Lake Class IPC's were made by British shipbuilders Brooke Marine. The current IPV's were built here in Whangarei, New Zealand Under the Tenix Defence.

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It’s steel being cut rather than a ribbon as the first of our new Bushmaster vehicles hits the production line. Scheduled for delivery in 2022, the vehicles provide high levels of blast & ballistic protection making it suitable for a range of tasks.

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https://www.reddit.com/r/The_NZDF/comme ... ushmaster/

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NighthawkNZ wrote:Looks like the Irish Naval Service are seriously looking at the two laid up Lake Class IPV's.

http://nighthawk.nz/index.php/news/defe ... aval-ships

I notice in the article where the article says "The Royal New Zealand Navy was supplied with four of them by British shipbuilders Brooke Marine. Two have since been decommissioned."

The old Lake Class IPC's were made by British shipbuilders Brooke Marine. The current IPV's were built here in Whangarei, New Zealand Under the Tenix Defence.
The Irish are desperate to replace the old Peacock Class, as much due to manning as their age. But even then they're 20% down on personnel and its getting worse. The Lake Class would be a good replacement for Fishery Protection, but unfortunately would not be exactly what the Irish Navy really wants (a limited Mine Warfare capability alongside the Patrol aspect), suspect they'll need to get their personnel situation stabilised before they try again on that front (and their Multi Role Vessel to replace Eithne).

Pity the UK hasn't snapped them up for the Border Force, they'd make excellent Cutter's for the Channel and elsewhere.

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NighthawkNZ wrote:Looks like the Irish Naval Service are seriously looking at the two laid up Lake Class IPV's.
The Lake class were disposed of in the early 90's. Built in the UK, they were particularly unsuitable for the NZ sea conditions and used to roll around like pigs.

The current (laid up) boats are Protector IPV's, taken out of service due to manning issues. Should never have been bought as concentrating on the larger vessels was of greater importance (range, capabilities).

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swoop wrote:The Lake class were disposed of in the early 90's. Built in the UK, they were particularly unsuitable for the NZ sea conditions and used to roll around like pigs.

The current (laid up) boats are Protector IPV's, taken out of service due to manning issues. Should never have been bought as concentrating on the larger vessels was of greater importance (range, capabilities).
The ships bought under Project Protector are also called the Lake Class..see the RNZN's own details..

https://www.nzdf.mil.nz/navy/capability ... upo-p3570/

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swoop wrote:
NighthawkNZ wrote:Looks like the Irish Naval Service are seriously looking at the two laid up Lake Class IPV's.
The Lake class were disposed of in the early 90's. Built in the UK, they were particularly unsuitable for the NZ sea conditions and used to roll around like pigs.

The current (laid up) boats are Protector IPV's, taken out of service due to manning issues. Should never have been bought as concentrating on the larger vessels was of greater importance (range, capabilities).
Both the older IPC's and the current IPV's are known as "Lake class"... The current IPV's have always been known as Lake class. Their names are all lakes in NZ, and they replaced the old IPC's not the reserves Moa Class as the reserves no longer have their own vessels ... The IPC's technically replaced the Loch Class frigates (in name only)

The information on Wiki that people keep getting this from is completely wrong.

Even back when we had the old IPC's we only ever needed 2 and the four we got was far to many. 2 of them were laid up pretty early on as they were not needed. 2 vessels were meeting the patrol requirements. I served on HMNZS Pukaki last patrol around NZ and they pretty could get rough in a bit of swell... them were the days...

The manning issue is a only partly true... but that was only during the purge But all four were laid up... the RNZN never wanted four IPV's and requested only two during the planning stage of project Protector but 3 OPV's... which we are now getting. the SOPV in the next 5-6 years(ish)

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Timmymagic wrote:The ships bought under Project Protector are also called the Lake Class..see the RNZN's own details..
Yes, I looked at both sets of information on them but will remain with the older patrol boats as being "the" Lake Class. The new ones being "protector".
Call me stubborn...
NighthawkNZ wrote:The information on Wiki that people keep getting this from is completely wrong.

Even back when we had the old IPC's we only ever needed 2 and the four we got was far to many. 2 of them were laid up pretty early on as they were not needed. 2 vessels were meeting the patrol requirements. I served on HMNZS Pukaki last patrol around NZ and they pretty could get rough in a bit of swell... them were the days...

The manning issue is a only partly true... but that was only during the purge But all four were laid up... the RNZN never wanted four IPV's and requested only two during the planning stage of project Protector but 3 OPV's... which we are now getting. the SOPV in the next 5-6 years(ish)
Yup, the NZ lake names are well known.
The four were meant to be stationed around the country for duties and returning to Devonport for maintenance.
As with most things naval, the government completely gets things wrong (the Upham fiasco...) along with the quantity of Army's LAVs that were purchased.

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swoop wrote:
Timmymagic wrote:The ships bought under Project Protector are also called the Lake Class..see the RNZN's own details..
Yes, I looked at both sets of information on them but will remain with the older patrol boats as being "the" Lake Class. The new ones being "protector".
:lolno: :think:

The OPV's Wellington and Otago are known Protector Class OPV as is HMNZS Canterbury classed as a Protector-fleet amphibious and military sealift vessel. However the IPV's are Lake class.

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NighthawkNZ wrote:The OPV's Wellington and Otago are known Protector Class OPV as is HMNZS Canterbury classed as a Protector-fleet amphibious and military sealift vessel...
Sounds just like everything is a "protector" now. Presumably so the socialists' do not have to read that NZ has any form of offensive capability and have fallen in line with the UN's dogma.

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swoop wrote:
NighthawkNZ wrote:The OPV's Wellington and Otago are known Protector Class OPV as is HMNZS Canterbury classed as a Protector-fleet amphibious and military sealift vessel...
Sounds just like everything is a "protector" now. Presumably so the socialists' do not have to read that NZ has any form of offensive capability and have fallen in line with the UN's dogma.
That's because the fleet renewal project was for a sealift ship, OPV & IPV were part of the greater project known as Project Protector, would no doubt it would not have succeeded with a warlike project name under Aunty Helen

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HMNZ Ship’s Te Kaha & Aotearoa are at sea undertaking trials & readiness checks - all essential tasks prior to deploying next month. While operating at Alert Level 4, in accordance with Ministry of Health guidelines, we're maintaining the safety of all onboard.

http://nighthawk.nz/index.php/news/defe ... ing-trials

New Zealand Hercules airlifts evacuees from Kabul
http://nighthawk.nz/index.php/4951-new- ... from-kabul

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R686 wrote:
swoop wrote:
NighthawkNZ wrote:The OPV's Wellington and Otago are known Protector Class OPV as is HMNZS Canterbury classed as a Protector-fleet amphibious and military sealift vessel...
Sounds just like everything is a "protector" now. Presumably so the socialists' do not have to read that NZ has any form of offensive capability and have fallen in line with the UN's dogma.
That's because the fleet renewal project was for a sealift ship, OPV & IPV were part of the greater project known as Project Protector, would no doubt it would not have succeeded with a warlike project name under Aunty Helen
Perhaps the reason there is no warlike project name is because it is not a warlike project. The objective was patrolling the EEZ and providing HADR for the South Pacific. Hardly something you would label "Operation Skullcrusher" :P

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So has the RNZN sold HMNZS Rotoiti and HMNZS Pukaki (to Ireland?) yet?

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