Re: Raytheon Sentinel R1 (RAF)
Posted: 26 Feb 2021, 10:35
Another very short sighted decision by the MoD 
The numbers
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Re: Raytheon Sentinel R1 (RAF)
Posted: 27 Feb 2021, 10:19
Re: Raytheon Sentinel R1 (RAF)
Posted: 27 Feb 2021, 12:03
17 years, should have easily been double that...
Re: Raytheon Sentinel R1 (RAF)
Posted: 27 Feb 2021, 17:05
This is the problem with micro fleets. Tiny numbers offering a niche capability. Just not sustainable.
Re: Raytheon Sentinel R1 (RAF)
Posted: 31 Mar 2021, 20:42
Re: Raytheon Sentinel R1 (RAF)
Posted: 31 Mar 2021, 21:31
14 yrs... OK, a quick-fit
But: where are the statements about the (or not just one?) replacement capability?
But: where are the statements about the (or not just one?) replacement capability?
Re: Raytheon Sentinel R1 (RAF)
Posted: 31 Mar 2021, 21:57
They will probably bolt something onto the Protectors eventually.
Re: Raytheon Sentinel R1 (RAF)
Posted: 31 Mar 2021, 21:57
Most requested air assets we had
Re: Raytheon Sentinel R1 (RAF)
Posted: 31 Mar 2021, 22:08
The Canberra PR9 was also in very high demand, especially my the Americans.
Re: Raytheon Sentinel R1 (RAF)
Posted: 31 Mar 2021, 23:06
Well, the U2 camera and so along.Lord Jim wrote:The Canberra PR9 was also in very high demand, especially my the Americans.
But not mentioned in the GW1 assets... while it was definitely 'there'
- from Cyprus; and not 'seen'
Re: Raytheon Sentinel R1 (RAF)
Posted: 17 Nov 2021, 09:45
Re: Raytheon Sentinel R1 (RAF)
Posted: 17 Nov 2021, 17:41
2022 prediction: "The US Army has invented a spy plane out of a business jet. We're the first in the world to do it, so ner ner ner ner ner ner.." 
Re: Raytheon Sentinel R1 (RAF)
Posted: 17 Nov 2021, 20:29
I saw a comment on Twitter that one reason Sentinel was binned was that it was a "corps-level asset for a brigade-level army". Ouch.
Re: Raytheon Sentinel R1 (RAF)
Posted: 19 Nov 2021, 12:32
Re: Raytheon Sentinel R1 (RAF)
Posted: 19 Nov 2021, 13:54
It somewhat makes a sense. on the other hand, things like Sentinels give additional strength to "brigade(if even that)-level Army".
Re: Raytheon Sentinel R1 (RAF)
Posted: 19 Nov 2021, 14:20
Lucky for us then we don’t provide a corps level HQ for nato or are looking to invest in long range land fires capabilities that may require a standoff long stare capability to ID enemy movements along the nato border for engagement.
Re: Raytheon Sentinel R1 (RAF)
Posted: 19 Nov 2021, 21:05
Definitely, even though the truth behind the comment stings, being able to bring Sentinel to a coalition can help offset the smaller land component.
Re: Raytheon Sentinel R1 (RAF)
Posted: 27 Feb 2022, 23:10
Would have been quite useful to have these around right about now...
Re: Raytheon Sentinel R1 (RAF)
Posted: 28 Feb 2022, 19:24
Re: Raytheon Sentinel R1 (RAF)
Posted: 28 Feb 2022, 21:11
The budget 'eggs' have been put in Watchkeeper, which is surveillance (and targeting) only and optimised for a brigade's sphere of influence... the range is of course more as it needs a runway!
- in Ukraine we re witnessing Corps-level warfare; and our corps assets are? Never mind that we can't field a corps
- in Ukraine we re witnessing Corps-level warfare; and our corps assets are? Never mind that we can't field a corps
Re: Raytheon Sentinel R1 (RAF)
Posted: 28 Feb 2022, 21:19
Is been simply another lesson in the importance of strategic intelligence gathering and information sharing.
Re: Raytheon Sentinel R1 (RAF)
Posted: 01 Mar 2022, 16:39
Well we all know where Watch keeper should be living and that is in the Recce/Precision Fires BCT as its organic ISTAR asset rather that putting it in the 1st Aviation Brigade or whatever.
As for Sentinel, I am sure the US Army will get a lot of use out of them whilst they are waiting for their new builds. They might even use some to the Sentinels hardware to cut costs. I think the new US Army platforms will be able to analyse the data on board as well as stream it via data link to a ground station, possibly speeding up the sensor to shooter cycle for high priority targets.
How survivable a platform like Sentinel would be in a contested area would be useful to know as would any capability to carry self protection pods and dispensers.
Strange how just as we are binning a very useful capability and its enablers the US is doing the opposite. Our Beechcraft platforms might be OK for COIN but they won't be going near any contested airspace. The could provide support for Ranger units t give them a credible ISTAR capability against the level of opposition they are most likely to meet though.
As for Sentinel, I am sure the US Army will get a lot of use out of them whilst they are waiting for their new builds. They might even use some to the Sentinels hardware to cut costs. I think the new US Army platforms will be able to analyse the data on board as well as stream it via data link to a ground station, possibly speeding up the sensor to shooter cycle for high priority targets.
How survivable a platform like Sentinel would be in a contested area would be useful to know as would any capability to carry self protection pods and dispensers.
Strange how just as we are binning a very useful capability and its enablers the US is doing the opposite. Our Beechcraft platforms might be OK for COIN but they won't be going near any contested airspace. The could provide support for Ranger units t give them a credible ISTAR capability against the level of opposition they are most likely to meet though.
Re: Raytheon Sentinel R1 (RAF)
Posted: 01 Mar 2022, 17:01
Precisely because they fly high with good endurance they can stand off with a long stare to avoid being in the contested area. They also have an extremely useful part to play in ensuring hostilities do not start by providing information to shape the narrative and allowing counters to be planned before the need to fight.Lord Jim wrote: ↑01 Mar 2022, 16:39 Well we all know where Watch keeper should be living and that is in the Recce/Precision Fires BCT as its organic ISTAR asset rather that putting it in the 1st Aviation Brigade or whatever.
As for Sentinel, I am sure the US Army will get a lot of use out of them whilst they are waiting for their new builds. They might even use some to the Sentinels hardware to cut costs. I think the new US Army platforms will be able to analyse the data on board as well as stream it via data link to a ground station, possibly speeding up the sensor to shooter cycle for high priority targets.
How survivable a platform like Sentinel would be in a contested area would be useful to know as would any capability to carry self protection pods and dispensers.
Strange how just as we are binning a very useful capability and its enablers the US is doing the opposite. Our Beechcraft platforms might be OK for COIN but they won't be going near any contested airspace. The could provide support for Ranger units t give them a credible ISTAR capability against the level of opposition they are most likely to meet though.
They are no less survivable that any other aircraft that isn’t a fighter.
Re: Raytheon Sentinel R1 (RAF)
Posted: 01 Mar 2022, 18:17
The half hundred, or so?
Agreed; but the ground stations are of shared std; aliies and all that...
How are we doing with the Very Big pods on Typhoons (as was the case with Tornados... armed recce)?
Re: Raytheon Sentinel R1 (RAF)
Posted: 01 Mar 2022, 18:41
Did notice the typhoons seemed to be operating with litening pods on, think there at version V now.ArmChairCivvy wrote: ↑01 Mar 2022, 18:17The half hundred, or so?
Agreed; but the ground stations are of shared std; aliies and all that...
How are we doing with the Very Big pods on Typhoons (as was the case with Tornados... armed recce)?