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Brazil's defence budget will be cut by 25% this year. Foreign deployments will also be reduced.

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Yet they can afford 2014 World Cup and the 2016 Olympics ?! :?

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They spent the defence budget on the bribes to get the games! :lol:

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SKB wrote:Yet they can afford 2014 World Cup and the 2016 Olympics ?! :?
Not really, no, hence the cuts.

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Waiting for confirmation from French Navy but I think it is accurate

Navy of Brazil May Have Purchased Former French Navy Foudre class LPD Siroco
According to reliable French naval news website Corlobe, the Brazilian press is reporting that Marinha do Brasil (Brazilian Navy) would have purchased the former French Navy Foudre class LPD Siroco. The amphibious vessel would be renamed Bahia with hull number G40.
http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.ph ... ew&id=2986

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xav wrote:Waiting for confirmation from French Navy but I think it is accurate

Navy of Brazil May Have Purchased Former French Navy Foudre class LPD Siroco
According to reliable French naval news website Corlobe, the Brazilian press is reporting that Marinha do Brasil (Brazilian Navy) would have purchased the former French Navy Foudre class LPD Siroco. The amphibious vessel would be renamed Bahia with hull number G40.
http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.ph ... ew&id=2986
Seems they did.

Confirmed: Brazilian Navy Have Purchased Former French Navy Foudre class LPD Siroco
The Brazilian Navy confirmed on September 9 2015 the purchase of former French Navy Foudre class LPD Siroco. The amphibious vessel will be renamed Bahia with hull number G40 and classified as “Navio Doca Multipropósito” or multipurpose amphibious vessel.
Read More: http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.ph ... ew&id=3088

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The financing for the 36 Gripen NGs was renegotiated (so they must be feeling the burden, now that the commodity boom is over) in July,
and the deal is going ahead (unlike the Swiss deal, where the Swedes had already placed an order for 10 to "debug" the next batch, bound for Switzerland).
- now, the Queen of Sweden is Brazilian, after all
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Brazil could pick up some Gripens on the cheap and accelerate the training
http://www.strategypage.com/dls/article ... 8-2013.asp

Even if the RSA were to lose their Gripens, there is no worry about them pulling back from the joint A2A project with Brazil (because missile technology is a prestige project; never mind that you won't have the fighters to put it onto).
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/sou ... aam-03286/
-Brazil, however, is starting to doubt whether it is better to drop integrating new things and make sure, instead, that you actually get the planes to begin with
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Brazil Gives Up Modernization Plans for Aircraft Carrier Sao Paulo, Prepares for Decommissioning
According to Brazilian daily newspaper Estado, the Brazilian Navy (Marinha do Brasil) has just decided to decommission its sole aircraft carrier Sao Paulo (hull number A12) acquired from France in 2000. Brazil has long been considering a modernization plan for the aircraft carrier with French naval shipbuilding group DCNS, but according to Estado, "modernization costs were considered excessive by the admiralty".
http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.ph ... oning.html

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Logical decision, wondered how they'd attempt to fund everything (subs, frigates, carriers) they wanted in a set of similar timeframes.

Wonder what'll happen to the 8 C-1's they're having modified for COD/AAR in the US, induced into service in the Air Force or canned.

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Defiance wrote:what'll happen to the 8 C-1's they're having modified for COD/AAR in the US
I thought they flew something (small) for AEW as well?
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ArmChairCivvy wrote:I thought they flew something (small) for AEW as well?
I think they looked at Israeli/French kit (Searchwater maybe?) for a C-1 conversion but not sure where they went with it, it was likely an intention at some point as they appeared to want to make a proper carrier airgroup at the time.

I don't think they currently having something doing it like we or the Russians/Chinese do

EDIT: Looking into it's a bit of a cluster, different combinations of C-1/S-2 (4+4, 8+4) but overall they wanted C-1's to do COD/AAR and S-2's for AEW, likely some literature somewhere says the opposite but overall they wanted those a/c to do those roles in whatever flavour of configuration.

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$167m spent, half of the total (of 8 a/c) for AEW, with Israeli kit:
http://defense-update.com/20141223_braz ... aders.html

Funny that, look at the in-service dates after change of contractor... just in time for the whole carrier to be retired?

And only a month ago the Head of Brazilian navy said that the feasibility study for carrier Gripen had come up with 90% commonality with the base a/c (that they are getting).
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Don't suppose they'd be able to take of using a ski ramp ?

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Dahedd wrote:Don't suppose they'd be able to take of using a ski ramp ?

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Nope. ;)
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Last I heard the proposed navalised Gripen could do if you wanted it to, question is does it provide a useful operational capability

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Assuming that you could launch it using a Ski Jump how and where do you propose to land it.

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You mis-read my post which in turn was a mis-read of your own. You were talking about the S-2's and I wrote Gripen.

As an aside we've all seen the Forrestal have a crack at something similar ;)

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All 4 of Brazil's Scorpenes are under construction with the first of class to be launched in July 2018

http://www.janes.com/article/69452/laad ... nstruction

As an aside, construction of their first nuclear boat should begin next year.

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Last nights episode of "warship" took every opportunity to point out that HMS Ocean is old, hard to maintain and verging on being not got for purpose - hardly the best advertisement for a sale to Brazil....

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dmereifield wrote:Last nights episode of "warship" took every opportunity to point out that HMS Ocean is old, hard to maintain and verging on being not got for purpose - hardly the best advertisement for a sale to Brazil....
Are we entirely bothered about selling her to Brazil? AFAIK she was expected to be ran into the ground and binned anyway.

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Defiance wrote:
dmereifield wrote:Last nights episode of "warship" took every opportunity to point out that HMS Ocean is old, hard to maintain and verging on being not got for purpose - hardly the best advertisement for a sale to Brazil....
Are we entirely bothered about selling her to Brazil? AFAIK she was expected to be ran into the ground and binned anyway.
Don't know, but if they don't buy her what will be the outcome? Binned off next year and sold for scrap, for say £2-3 million?

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dmereifield wrote: Don't know, but if they don't buy her what will be the outcome? Binned off next year and sold for scrap, for say £2-3 million?
That's my point, throughout her life she was intended to be used to exhaustion and scrapped. If she's as shagged out as is claimed (which we planned on doing anyway) then nobody will want to buy her regardless.

Why pretend she's in better condition than she is? Brazil has plenty of experience with dragging old equipment into the next century so it's likely they've got a fair idea about what to expect and would offer a price accordingly. It wouldn't be that great of a money maker.

Frankly it's rare I have an emotional attachment to many navy ships, if viable I'd give the thumbs up to gutting her and letting Astute use her for target practice.

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