sunstersun wrote:
Good for the UK. Could have been much better without this nonsense. No it will just underperform to its projected baseline before leaving the EU. 20% lower actually. Just like all the statistics have shown and predicted lmao. There's no amount of economic gaslighting that you can do to change the facts the UK is a lot poorer, will be a lot poorer due to Brexit.
No one would ever really know if that is correct or not, yes sure whilst negotiations were going on there was a bit of uncertainty, I tend to think it was more of a blip in the greater scheme of things as the UK economy was tied to the EU, as the UK economy decouples from the EU it will enjoy more freedoms to do things more in its interests than 27 other countries
sunstersun wrote:
No it's really not? I don't think Sovereignty was a political issue until the last 10 years.
Sovereignty was always a political issue, which it was Ted Heath was fundamentally dishonest when joining the EEC. There was to be a referendum before actually joining in which he knew that a majority of the electorate was not in favour of joining the EEC, and why he subsequently signed then lead a dishonest campaign after the fact.
Before the 1970 general election which made him Prime Minister, Edward Heath declared that;
“It would be wrong if any Government contemplating membership of the European Community were to take this step without `
the full-hearted consent of Parliament and people'.
in June 1971, a White Paper had been sent to every home in the UK, promising that, “
there is no question of Britain losing essential sovereignty."
In 1973 Ted Heath He said:
“There are some in this country who fear that, in going into Europe, we shall in some way sacrifice independence and sovereignty.
These fears, I need hardly say, are completely unjustified.”
It wasn’t until the Wilson Government consent to a referendum in 1975 to whether the UK should remain or leave the EEC, but because of the dishonest nature in the governments representations of what it meant to be is was said to be just a “Common Market for trade”
The loss of national sovereignty was confirmed by Judge Bruce Morgan on April 9, 2001. He said that, when the UK joined the Common Market in the 1970s, parliament and the British people
“quite voluntarily
surrendered the once seemingly immortal concept of the
sovereignty of parliament and legislative freedom”.
The Werner report goes on to state that this loss of sovereignty to which the UK could lose in which would ultimately leave (EEC) member states with somewhat less power “
than the autonomy enjoyed by the states of the USA”
sunstersun wrote:
Sure, why not. Trumpets and Republicans are so bad are so rn, I trust Canada and Mexico more rn. If I were British, I'd trust the EU courts 10000000 million more times than the current Tory Corruption bs. The EU courts help prevent Poland and Hungary from going full craazy.
So actually yeah, sovereignty is an issue for me, just the opposite of your primative neanderthal thinking. We are social creatures that work better together in a group.
Wow, you have no trust in your own national institutions. I feel very said for you
You said your dislike for Trump and Republicans, but whom voted them in, who voted him out?
Even PM Cameron at the time said of his policies "If you don't like me, I won't be here forever." Its your democratic right to vote for your president and your member of congress
Who elects the President of the European Commission, certainly not the general voting public!!
Its the un-elected members of the European Commission will commonly propose new EU laws for the European parliament to vote on.
Are you still happy for that to happen if the Organization of American States where to control US legislative ideals?
sunstersun wrote:
After all, AUKUS is good as a group. Sovereignty not an issue for the Aussies?
Its because each nation is a sovereign nation in its own right, that it happened at all, and sovereignty is a very big issue for Australians, why do you think the US has had a very small presence in Australia over the years, precisely because of sovereignty issues.
You are aware that the only reason why AUKUS happened at all was for the fact that the UK now has a foreign policy independent of the EU and France was doing everything thing in its power to stop AUKUS in its tracks. AUKUS could not have happened if the UK was still a member of the EU or as the EU tried to tie the UK to a formal foreign policy and security treaty within the TCA