RFA Argus (Casualty Receiving Ship / Aviation Training Ship) (RFA)

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SW1 wrote:And if you don’t have 40m or .5billion over 10 years?
Defence spending will be @400bn over the next 10 years - as always it’s about priorities. The running cost is approx 2 x T23s. Or, perhaps let’s start by stopping talking about new LPD/LSD ships, which would be well in excess of the this, and use what we have till the mid 2030s when hopefully the world will be different.
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Repulse wrote:
SW1 wrote:And if you don’t have 40m or .5billion over 10 years?
Defence spending will be @400bn over the next 10 years - as always it’s about priorities. The running cost is approx 2 x T23s. Or, perhaps let’s start by stopping talking about new LPD/LSD ships, which would be well in excess of the this, and use what we have till the mid 2030s when hopefully the world will be different.
Yep we won’t be talking about new, so decommissioned without replacement as there’s higher priorities . The running costs maybe different maybe off but this is what it was before at a pt in time.

https://www.thinkdefence.co.uk/2016/05/ ... ing-costs/

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Argus and Medway getting on with their day job, I see
https://caymannewsservice.com/2020/09/r ... caribbean/
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SW1 wrote “And if you don’t have 40m or .5billion over 10 years?”

Then you are not receiving enough money from HMG to provide adequate defence of your country! :mrgreen:

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Top effort by Argus and HNLMS Groningen a nice little 2000 kg drug bust

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RFA Argus demonstrating once again the capability it brings - having an Aviation Support Ship as part of the fleet is not the luxury some think it is - it is essential.

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She has been supporting a US army Chinook as well in the last few days

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The ability to distribute aviation assets rather than concentrate all in one place who would of thought that would be a thing.

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Hence the next opportunity to have bigger hangars than were put on the Tides must not be allowed to pass
- with the size projected for FSS(s) the marginal cost should be 'manageable'
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I can possibly see the case for large hangars on the future FSS, for supporting non CSG operations, though I cannot see it as a priority for its priority role. Sailing close to a CVF, a Tide hangar is sufficient.

I could see sense if two FSSs were built with limited aviation facilities (batch 1), and then a larger batch of two vessels were built that had aviation facilities for 2 Chinooks or 4 Merlins. Perhaps one of the latter two could be part funded by the aid budget.
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SW1 wrote:The ability to distribute aviation assets rather than concentrate all in one place who would of thought that would be a thing.
So the RN should get more carriers. Good for you!

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Repulse wrote:Sailing close to a CVF, a Tide hangar is sufficient
Yes, and there were limiting factors in the design, like the twin funnels.

But talking about a bigger hull (FSS), there is duality of function:
- VERTREP (to ships or to ashore)
- and the ferry function, e.g. if Apaches migrate to a shore base, then the carrier can receive more lift capacity

This means that the number of 'spots' is not critical; more like you could have a hangar for 1-2 and under the helodeck another one for 1-3, from which a lift would operate
... just a matter of where space can be made available w/o sacrifice of the main function (to access stores as required and then to 'hoist' them overboard :) )
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I threw up watching that :(

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If I read the deck markings correctly, the helicopter spot is in a 'fun spot' v close to the edge, probably because of the superstructures not being 'movable' when the conversion was done (as well as the lift's location?)
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Argus looking good! Especially for a ship supposedly retiring in three years time:


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RFA Argus will leave Portsmouth's Victory Jetty at 15:15 on Friday 3rd September.
https://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/qhm/portsm ... 03/09/2021

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What’s the chances for an extension of Argus for another 5-10 years? Too flexible a capability not to be replaced or gapped.
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Does anyone have the info to hand on the cost of the various upgrades Argus has been through? I was thinking if a similar conversion could be done to a Ro-Ro vessel combining the capabilities of Argus with the Points though probably not the same capacity as the latter. Such a vessel would be of great use to the LSGs and the RN in general.

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Just out of refit perfect time to send her to the Indo- Pacific as the lead LRG East ship for the next 4 years


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tomuk wrote:Now advertised for sale. OSD 2024
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... e_2021.pdf
Jesus, also going with it is HMS Scott, both Scimitar class and probably most surprising the RM hovercraft!
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Repulse wrote:
tomuk wrote:Now advertised for sale. OSD 2024
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... e_2021.pdf
Jesus, also going with it is HMS Scott, both Scimitar class and probably most surprising the RM hovercraft!
and the Minimi!

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marktigger wrote:and the Minimi!
You really have a thing for the LMG, do you have posters on your walls? :D

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Lord Jim wrote:
marktigger wrote:and the Minimi!
You really have a thing for the LMG, do you have posters on your walls? :D

there's an idea........ :lolno:

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