Italian Armed Forces

[The Armchair Soldier]

Finmeccanica is to be renamed "Leonardo":

[downsizer]

I wonder if their Quality Control will improve?

[arfah]

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[eagle spotters]

Leonardo.... da Vinci !

[arfah]

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[eagle spotters]

La Spezia, 24.3.2016 - ITS Alpino F 594 (the fourth and last FREMM-IT ASW frigate)

ready to delivery to Italian Navy:



http://www.naviearmatori.net/albums/use ... 014850.jpg

[eagle spotters]

FINCANTIERI TO BUILD SEVEN UNITS FOR QATAR (for about Euro 4 millions):

- 1 LDP 9.000 t, with BMD capability
- 4 frigates 2.800 t, with BMD capability
- 2 FPB 650 t

http://www.fincantieri.it/cms/data/brow ... 00751.aspx

Leonardo-Finmeccanica welcomes the agreement to supply seven new ships to Qatar (for about Euro 1 million):

http://www.leonardocompany.com/en/-/qat ... nmeccanica

[~UNiOnJaCk~]

Good news for Italian ship builders, but yet more evidence of the utter hilarity that is Gulf State procurement. A BMD capable LPD?

Nothing more than a vanity project, kit bashed to all hell and lacking realistic direction - in other words, business as usual in the Gulf. I'm starting to think they only have two requirements when it comes to new purchases:

1. Is it glitzy/new/do the big boys have these sorts of toys?
2. Can i show off with it/will it help with my insecurities?

[Kraff]

Credits to http://difesa.forumfree.it

[eagle spotters]

The third SSK "Pietro Venuti" (U-212 class) today delivered to Marina Militare Italiana:

https://www.fincantieri.it/cms/data/bro ... 00763.aspx

[Kraff]

The Italian Air Force and Navy are due to take delivery of the first of four ATR 72 maritime patrol aircraft from Leonardo-Finmeccanica to replace ageing Atlantique aircraft, which they fly out of Sicily’s Sigonella air base.

The delivery, which is reportedly due in the next few weeks, marks the culmination of an eight-year wait since Italy opted to spend €360 million (US $397 million) on the aircraft in 2008.

http://www.defensenews.com/story/defens ... /87429168/

[abc123]

The Italian Air Force and Navy are due to take delivery of the first of four ATR 72 maritime patrol aircraft from Leonardo-Finmeccanica to replace ageing Atlantique aircraft, which they fly out of Sicily’s Sigonella air base.

The delivery, which is reportedly due in the next few weeks, marks the culmination of an eight-year wait since Italy opted to spend €360 million (US $397 million) on the aircraft in 2008.

http://www.defensenews.com/story/defens ... /87429168/

I was thinking thet the Italians were interested for Poseidon?

So, what's the range fr this ATR72 MPA? Article mentions 12 hrs endurance, so 12 x 500 kph of cruising speed, 6000 km?

[abc123]

About PPA project, I don't see the difference between PPA Light and PPA Light Plus versions?

Another thing, about Durand de la Penne-class frigates, is their complement of 380 any lower now without Standard missiles? Any other changes?

[abc123]

So nobody's interested in Italy?

[andrew98]

Yes, I am.
Though I don't really post. After the British forces I find the Italian the most interesting and like quite a lot of what I see.. Just hope it gets funded (same problem Britain has!)
PPA with full size torpedo tubes could give a hostile ssk a very nasty surprise, and maybe the trieste class lhd? Could be a basis for next gen commando/helo carrier for the R.N.?

[ArmChairCivvy]

After the British forces I find the Italian the most interesting and like quite a lot of what I see.

I agree, most of the time they seem to get a helluva lot bang for a buck on their procurement (we do also at times see inflated unit costs, like for the Freccias, where the name of the game is to keep the industry alive and the manufacturing is done at an insanely slow pace, just to make it las... to the next order).

[eagle spotters]

The fifth "Alpino" frigate (Bergamini class, fourth and last in FREMM-ASW version) today (30.9.2016) commissioned to Marina Militare Italiana:

https://www.fincantieri.it/cms/data/bro ... 00786.aspx



data sheet:
- 6.700 t, f.l.
- 144 m
- 29 kn, max speed
- CMS Athena
- AAW SAAM-ESD
- VDS CAPTAS-4
- MFRA, active 3D, C band radar
- RASS, surface and OTH, X band radar
- 16 VLS A50 for Aster 15 & Aster 30 missiles (FFBNW 16 x VLS A70)
- 2 x OTO Melata 76/62 mm Strales with Dart AA guided ammunitions
- 4 X Teseo Mk2A Block IV (anti-ship and land attack missiles)
- 4 X Milas (ASW missiles)
- 2 x OTO Melara 25/80 mm remotized
- 2 x WASS B515, triple torpedo-launcher
- 2 X SLAT (ASW decoys)
- 2 x ODLS (AA/AM decoys)
- 2 x helos (2 x SH90A or 1 x SH90A and 1 x AW101)
- 2 X RHIB
- crew 131, + helo unit (24) + SF detachment + TG comand staff
- complement 199 (GP versione), 201 (ASW version)

[abc123]

The fifth "Alpino" frigate (Bergamini class, fourth and last in FREMM-ASW version) today (30.9.2016) commissioned to Marina Militare Italiana:

https://www.fincantieri.it/cms/data/bro ... 00786.aspx



data sheet:
- 6.700 t, f.l.
- 144 m
- 29 kn, max speed
- CMS Athena
- AAW SAAM-ESD
- VDS CAPTAS-4
- MFRA, active 3D, C band radar
- RASS, surface and OTH, X band radar
- 16 VLS A50 for Aster 15 & Aster 30 missiles (FFBNW 16 x VLS A70)
- 2 x OTO Melata 76/62 mm Strales with Dart AA guided ammunitions
- 4 X Teseo Mk2A Block IV (anti-ship and land attack missiles)
- 4 X Milas (ASW missiles)
- 2 x OTO Melara 25/80 mm remotized
- 2 x WASS B515, triple torpedo-launcher
- 2 X SLAT (ASW decoys)
- 2 x ODLS (AA/AM decoys)
- 2 x helos (2 x SH90A or 1 x SH90A and 1 x AW101)
- 2 X RHIB
- crew 131, + helo unit (24) + SF detachment + TG comand staff
- complement 199 (GP versione), 201 (ASW version)

A good ship, too bad it's not built for combat, but purely for prestige and support of national production...

[LordJim]

But at least they actually get on and build things unlike the UK!

[abc123]

But at least they actually get on and build things unlike the UK!

Meh, it's all for nothing, single British Type 26 not even built yet is worth more than 5-6 Italian built/commissioned FREMMs...

[seaspear]

"Not built for combat" please provide detail as its made the R.A.N shortlist for replacement frigate program

[eagle spotters]

MAN provide gensets for italian PPAs:

http://navaltoday.com/2016/10/26/man-to ... lian-ppas/

Four MAN 12V175D GenSets, each delivering 1,640 kW (total 6,560 kW), for eachone PPA.

[abc123]

"Not built for combat" please provide detail as its made the R.A.N shortlist for replacement frigate program

NEWBIE here, aren't you? Don't you know that only RN ships ( maybe even the USN too, but not entirely sure ) are built for combat, all other countries ( France, Italy, Germany etc. ) are building warships not for war, but just for prestige and support of national industry...

[eagle spotters]

PPA update:

PPA Light
- 2 ordered
- light displacement 4.880 t
- full load displacement 5.900 t
- lenght overall about 143 m
- lenght at sea about 133 m
- width 16,5 m
- crew 90
- accomodation 171 (+60 extraordinary):
3 x single bed cabins
13 x double beds cabins
7 x four beds cabins
9 x six beds cabins
1 x 16 beds dormitory (+ 8 extraordinary)
1 x 20 beds dormitory (+ 10 extraordinary)
1 x 24 beds domitory (+ 12 extraordinary)
(+ 30 accomodations in optional containers )
- propulsion system: CODAG + electric engines
- 1 TAG GE/Avio LM2500G4+ setted to 32 MW
- 2 diesels engines MTU 20V 8000 M91L (10 MW eachone)
- 2 electric engines (1,4 M eachone)
- 4 diesel generators MAN GenSets 12V175D (1,640 kW eachone)
- max speed: about 32+ knots
- cruise speed only on diesels engines: 25 knots
- cruise speed only on electric engines: 10 knots
- range 5,000+ nm to 15 knots
- flight deck for 1 x AW-101
- hangar for 2 x NH-90 NFH
- 2 x 9,4 m RHIB (rigid-hulled inflatable boat) release and recovery lateral systems
- 1 x 9,4 m RHIB (rigid-hulled inflatable boat) fast release and recovery stern system
- new Selex ES open architetture CMS ( SADOC Mk4 )
- CMS with 20 MFC (FFBMW for other 8 ) + 2 Large Screen Display + 2 Tactis digital tables + 1 commander digital chair
- new Selex ES AAW C2 SAAM-ESD++ system for use with Aster 30 Block 1NT (FFBNW)
- integrated command cockpit (COC+ bridge)
- 2 x navigation dual band radar (X/Ka)
- 1 x new Selex ES multi-band fire radar
- 1 x new Selex ES DBR (double band radar) AESA four fixed plates radarDBR, only X band, FFBNW C band radar too
- 1 x new Selex ES IFF
- 1 x new Selex ES static IRST, simplified, FFBNW full version
- Selex ES integrated communications system, simplified, FFBNW full version
- Selex ES Software Defined Radio
- FFBNW WASS Underwater Telephone
- FFBNW WASS Bathy Termograph Unit
- WASS Diver Detection Sonar
- 1 x OTO Melara 127/64 mm with Vulcano extended range ammunition and AAHS
- 1 x OTO Melara 76/62 mm Sovraponte (over deck) Strales (new version with less ammunition and weight), FFBNW Vulcano 76 ammunition
- 2 x OTO Melara KBA 25/80 mm remote weapon system
- 2 x LRAS (Long Range Acoustic System) SITEP MS-424
- FFBNW 2 X OTO Melara ODLS-20
- FFBNW 2 x DCNS VLS A50 (with 16 cells for Aster 15, Aster 30, Aster 30B1NT, CAMM-ER) or 2/4 VLS A70 (with 16/32 cells for deep stryke missiles)
- FFBNW 4x2 MBDA Teseo Evolved ASuW missiles
- FFBNW 2 X 324 mm triple torpedo launchers for WASS Black Arrow torpedos
- torpedo automatic Handling system
- FFNBW 2 X 533 mm torpedo launchers
- 2 x multipourpose areas for transport up to 13 ISO1C containers
- 1 x 20 t crane
PPAs Light are expexted commisioning to Marina Militare in May 2021 and March 2022


PPA Light Plus
- 3 ordered
- light displacement 4.912 t
- full load displacement about 5.950 t
- lenght overall about 143 m
- lenght at sea about 133 m
- width 16,5 m
- crew 90+
- accomodation 171:
3 x single bed cabins
13 x double beds cabins
7 x four beds cabins
9 x six beds cabins
1 x 16 beds dormitory (+8 extraordinary)
1 x 20 beds dormitory (+10 extraordinary)
1 x 24 beds domitory (+12 extraordinary)
(+ 30 accomodations in optional containers )
- propulsion system: CODAG + electric engines
- 1 TAG GE/Avio LM2500G4+ fitted to 32 MW
- 2 diesels engines MTU 20V 8000 M91L (10 MW eachone)
- 2 electric engines (1,4 MW eachone)
- 4 diesel generators MAN GenSets 12V175D (1,640 kW eachone)
- max speed: about 32+ knots
- cruise speed only on diesels engines: 25 knots
- cruise speed only on electric engines: 10 knots
- range 5,000+ nm to 15 knots
- flight deck for 1 x AW-101
- hangar for 2 x NH-90 NFH
- 2 x 9,4 m RHIB (rigid-hulled inflatable boat) release and recovery lateral systems
- 1 x 9,4 m RHIB (rigid-hulled inflatable boat) fast release and recovery stern system
- new Selex ES open architetture CMS ( SADOC Mk4 )
- CMS with 20 MFC (FFBMW for other 8 ) + 2 Large Screen Display + 2 Tactis digital tables + 1 commander digital chair
- new Selex ES AAW C2 SAAM-ESD++ system for use with Aster 30 Block 1NT
- integrated command cockpit (COC+ bridge)
- 2 x navigation dual band radar (X/Ka)
- 1 x new Selex ES multi-band fire radar
- 1 x new Selex ES DBR (double band radar) AESA four fixed plates radarDBR, only C band, FFBNW X band radar too
- 1 x new Selex ES IFF
- 1 x new Selex ES static IRST, simplified, FFBNW full version
- Selex ES integrated communications system, simplified, FFBNW full version
- Selex ES Software Defined Radio
- FFBNW WASS Underwater Telephone
- FFBNW WASS Bathy Termograph Unit
- WASS Diver Detection Sonar
- 1 x OTO Melara 127/64 mm with Vulcano extended range ammunition and AAHS
- 1 x OTO Melara 76/62 mm Sovraponte (over deck) Strales (new version with less ammunition and weight), FFBNW Vulcano 76 ammunition
- 2 x OTO Melara KBA 25/80 mm remote weapon system
- 2 x LRAS (Long Range Acoustic System) SITEP MS-424
- FFBNW 2 X OTO Melara ODLS-20
- 2 x DCNS VLS A50 for 16 AAW missiles Aster 15 or Aster 30 (FFBNW Aster 30B1N and CAMM-ER)
- FFBNW 2 x DCNS VLS A70 to replace VLS A50 and to add another 2 x DCNS VLS A70 for 16 deep stryke missiles
- FFBNW 4x2 MBDA Teseo Evolved ASuW missiles
- FFBNW 2 X 324 mm triple torpedo launchers for WASS Black Arrow torpedos
- torpedo automatic Handling system
- FFBNW 2 X 533 mm torpedo launchers
- 2 x multipourpose areas for transport up to 13 ISO1C containers
- 1 x 20 t crane
PPAs Light Plus are expexted commisioning to Marina Militare in January 2023, October 2024 and August 2025

PPA Full
- 2 ordered (+ 1 expexted in 2021)
- light displacement 4.994 t
- full load displacement 6.200 t
- lenght overall about 143 m
- lenght at sea about 133 m
- width 16,5 m
- crew ?
- accomodation 171:
3 x single bed cabins
13 x double beds cabins
7 x four beds cabins
9 x six beds cabins
1 x 16 beds dormitory (+ 8 extraordinary)
1 x 20 beds dormitory (+10 extraordinary)
1 x 24 beds domitory (+12 extraordinary)
(+ 30 accomodations in optional containers )
- propulsion system: CODAG + electric engines
- 1 TAG GE/Avio LM2500G4+ fitted to 32 MW
- 2 diesels engines MTU 20V 8000 M91L (10 MW eachone)
- 2 electric engines (1,4 MW eachone)
- 4 diesel generators MAN GenSets 12V175D (1,640 kW eachone)
- max speed: about 32+ knots
- cruise speed only on diesels engines: 25 knots
- cruise speed only on electric engines: 10 knots
- range 5,000+ nm to 15 knots
- flight deck for 1 x AW-101
- hangar for 2 x NH-90 NFH
- 2 x 9,4 m RHIB (rigid-hulled inflatable boat) release and recovery lateral systems
- 1 x 9,4 m RHIB (rigid-hulled inflatable boat) fast release and recovery stern system
- new Selex ES open architetture CMS ( SADOC Mk4 )
- CMS with 28 MFC + 2 Large Screen Display + 2 Tactis digital tables + 1 commander digital chair
- new Selex ES AAW C2 SAAM-ESD++ system for use with Aster 30 Block 1NT
- integrated command cockpit (COC+ bridge)
- 2 x navigation dual band radar (X/Ka)
- 1 x new Selex ES multi-band fire radar
- 1 x new Selex ES DBR (double band radar) AESA four fixed plates X and C radar
- 1 x new Selex ES IFF
- 1 x new Selex ES static IRST
- Selex ES integrated communications system
- Selex ES Software Defined Radio
- WASS Underwater Telephone
- WASS Bathy Termograph Unit
- WASS Diver Detection Sonar
- 1 x OTO Melara 127/64 mm with Vulcano extended range ammunition and AAHS
- 1 x OTO Melara 76/62 mm Sovraponte (over deck) Strales (new version with less ammunition and weight), FFBNW Vulcano 76 ammunition
- 2 x OTO Melara 25/80 mm remote weapon system
- 2 x LRAS (Long Range Acoustic System) SITEP MS-424
- 2 X OTO Melara ODLS-20
- 2 x DCNS VLS A50 for 16 AAW missiles Aster 15 or Aster 30 (FFBNW Aster 30B1N and CAMM-ER)
- FFBNW 2 x DCNS VLS A70 to replace VLS A50 and to add another 2 x DCNS VLS A70 for 16 deep stryke missiles
- FFBNW 4x2 MBDA Teseo Evolved ASuW missiles
- FFBNW 2 X 324 mm triple torpedo launchers for WASS Black Arrow torpedos
- torpedo automatic Handling system
- 2 X 533 mm torpedo launchers
- 2 x multipourpose areas for transport up to 13 ISO1C containers
- 1 x 20 t crane
PPAs Light are expexted commisioning to Marina Militare in April 2024 and August 2026 (third expexted for 2027)

[eagle spotters]

Rumors about last two FREMM-GP (F598 'Spartaco Schergat' and F599 'Emilio Bianchi'), for commissioning in 2020/2021...



in evidence:
- Dual Band Radar (to replace MFRA)
- SLAT anti-torpedo decoy launcher (added)
- new IFF (to replace SIR M5-PA)