National Flagship for Britain

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Scimitar54
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Re: National Flagship for Britain

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Bercow was also purported to be from “The Right” in his early days, but just look where he is now! :mrgreen:
Sorry, but bringing one’s personal politics into this forum is “Passé”.

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No real surprise here that HMG has categorised the flagship as being security/defence

https://www.ft.com/content/c1297c53-15b ... 92ddcd67bb

I can't see behind the payroll so don't know if there is any other interesting info int he article. It states cast of £250 million now, which seems to have increased from the earlier value banded around (£200 million)

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dmereifield wrote:No real surprise here that HMG has categorised the flagship as being security/defence

https://www.ft.com/content/c1297c53-15b ... 92ddcd67bb

I can't see behind the payroll so don't know if there is any other interesting info int he article. It states cast of £250 million now, which seems to have increased from the earlier value banded around (£200 million)
Sorry but I've tried to add the full text but keep getting 403 errors from the website

No interesting info. Just an idea to get around the WTO agreement, that the UK signed, that all UK ships would be open to worldwide bids. The exception would be for ships with national security/defense components. There's no intent to make this a spy ship.

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Ron5 wrote:
dmereifield wrote:No real surprise here that HMG has categorised the flagship as being security/defence

https://www.ft.com/content/c1297c53-15b ... 92ddcd67bb

I can't see behind the payroll so don't know if there is any other interesting info int he article. It states cast of £250 million now, which seems to have increased from the earlier value banded around (£200 million)
Sorry but I've tried to add the full text but keep getting 403 errors from the website

No interesting info. Just an idea to get around the WTO agreement, that the UK signed, that all UK ships would be open to worldwide bids. The exception would be for ships with national security/defense components. There's no intent to make this a spy ship.
Yes, that's what I had assumed. I recall some of the media getting hysterical about the "fact" that this would have to be tendered internationally...

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Still cannot see a need for this.

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UK prime minister Boris Johnson’s controversial £250m “trade yacht” is to be deemed to have a “national security” role, in a move that would allow it to be built in a British shipyard without going out to international tender.

Ministers have been looking at ways to get around a World Trade Organization agreement signed by the UK last year that commits to putting civilian shipbuilding contracts out to international competition.

The agreement exempts warships, but as an unarmed vessel the yacht does not qualify. Its principal purpose is to act as a floating venue for trade fairs and diplomatic receptions.

The Ministry of Defence said it had identified a carve out for the “national flagship” from the WTO rules on national security grounds and would fit the vessel with security and communications equipment.

One official briefed on the plans said the ship, which is expected to cost between £200m and £250m, could play an intelligence gathering role, but the MoD denied that was the intention or that it would carry surveillance equipment.

“There are no plans for the national flagship to have an intelligence gathering capability,” the MoD said. Any suggestion that the vessel was a spy ship could make it unwelcome in territorial waters.

The MoD said the ship would have standard security and communications features, given that it would host high-level delegates, but refused to say they were “for security reasons”.

An international design competition for the yacht has been launched, but ministers insist it must be built in Britain. They argue it will help to achieve foreign policy and security objectives by hosting diplomatic events.

The vessel, a successor to the Royal Yacht Britannia which was retired in 1997, is intended to come into service in 2025. It is a civilian vessel but will be crewed by the Royal Navy and funded out of the defence budget.

Johnson said in May: “This new national flagship will be the first vessel of its kind in the world, reflecting the UK’s burgeoning status as a great independent, maritime trading nation.”

The yacht’s geographical limitations — it would be unable to reach inland cities including Paris, Berlin, Rome, Madrid and Moscow — have already led some to question its diplomatic value.

Emily Thornberry, shadow trade secretary, said the government was scrabbling around to find a justification for exempting the construction of the civilian vessel from international competition.

“This is only necessary because they failed to include a blanket exemption for shipbuilding when they signed us up to the WTO’s government procurement agreement. It is waste and incompetence on a staggeringly epic scale,” she said.

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Re: National Flagship for Britain

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Perhaps it will be fitted with 8 x 30mm guns? :mrgreen:

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I really do not like Emily Thornberry as a politician. At least Bris should get some good vibes from basically deciding to build this "Flagship" in the UK, even if it wasn't the original first choice method.

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Fortunately there is nothing to like about her! If it is fitted with 30mm guns (and possibly phalanx) then it will deserve its status as a “Warship”. She will, due to both her role and those likely to be on board, after all, constitute a High Value Target. She may not be able to receive an escort, or indeed wish to have one. Classification as a “Warship” may, on this basis (if armed), be further justified. :mrgreen:

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Re: National Flagship for Britain

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Watch: 127m sailing yacht leaves shed at Oceanco
https://www.boatinternational.com/yacht ... ling-yacht

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tomuk wrote:Watch: 127m sailing yacht leaves shed at Oceanco
https://www.boatinternational.com/yacht ... ling-yacht
Going to be absolutely gorgeous.

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Taken aback momentarily, as I thought you had said 127mm ! A sailing yacht with a 5” Gun ? Then I re-read it and calmed down. :lol:

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Scimitar54 wrote:Taken aback momentarily, as I thought you had said 127mm ! A sailing yacht with a 5” Gun ? Then I re-read it and calmed down. :lol:
You're right, a 57mm would make much more sense.

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You have taken the wind out of my sails ! :lol:

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