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Turkish defense contractor Baykar has posted a new photo from its facility that appears to show a new version of Bayraktar TB2 medium altitude long endurance unmanned combat aerial vehicle.

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The image, released at Baykar’s official Twitter account, showing an advanced version of combat drone with a satellite link system for remote control.

According to local sources, the new version of the combat drone with satellite communication capabilities called the Bayraktar TB2S (Satellite).

It is expected that the new Bayraktar TB2S will be remotely controlled via the satellite link by pilots on the ground, which significantly increases the range of the drone compared to using a radio channel.

The new broadband satellite communication system reportedly developed by Turkey’s CTech company to transfer data with speed exceeding 20 megabits per second (Mbps) to the ground control station.

The systems will allow dozens of unmanned combat aerial vehicle operations to be performed simultaneously.

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https://defencehub.live/threads/akinci- ... rograms.6/

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Interesting to see when the coffers (of dollars) will run dry and all of this rearming and interventions (with proxies that need to be paid) comes to an end:
"A self-described enemy of high interest rates, Erdogan said last weekend that Turkey was fighting an economic war against those squeezing it in a “devil’s triangle of interest and exchange rates and inflation.”
- who might they be?

"Sharp losses in the lira, which has weakened 30 percent against the US currency in 2020 to become the worst performer in emerging markets."
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Today, the first indigeneously designed and built frigate of Turkey will be launched. This frigate type, called "İstif" Class is developed from Ada class corvettes, which are in service since 2011.

Turkey currently operates 4 MEKO200TNI and 4 MEKO200TNII general purpose frigates together with 8 Oliver Hazard Perry class frigates. Newer MEKOs, which are of Track II series are upgraded with Mk41 VLS and newer electronics, while almost 40 years old Track I's are to be replaced by 4 Istif class national frigates.
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Main weapons and systems of frigate will include;

- 76mm Oto Melara Super Rapid frontal gun
- 16 cells Mk41 VLS (or Turkish made MIDAS, Mk41 equivalent) (64 ESSMs can be loaded theoretically)
- 2x8 Surface to Surface missiles (Harpoon or Turkish made Atmaca)
- 2x 25mm ASELSAN STOP Auxiliary guns
- 1x Phalanx or Turkish made Gökdeniz CIWS (30mm)
- 2x 324mm torpedo launcher
- Smart-S Mk2 3D Radar
- Alper LPI Cruise Radar
- Yakamoz Hull mounted Sonar
- IFF/Link11/16/ GPS/ GENESIS ADVENT Battle Management System

İSTİF CLASS GENERAL SPECIFICATIONS
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Length : 113,2 m
Width : 14,4 m
Draft: 4,05 m
Deplacement : 3.000 t
Maximum Speed : 29+ kts
Cruise Speed : 14 kts
Personnel : 123 sailors
Range : 12000 kms at 14 kts
Air Vehicles:
1 Sea Hawk Helicopter
Naval UAV
Platform and hangar

After this frigate class, Turkey plans to launch 7000 tonnes class TF2000 AAW frigate, which will incorporate at least 32 cells VLS and 400 km ranged ÇAFRAD AESA radar.

Currently, 4 ships of Istif class frigates are planned for commission and all four will be deployed until 2028.
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Turkey Launches The Lead Ship Of I-Class Frigates “Istanbul”
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Istanbul Shipyard today launched the lead ship of the I-class frigates, the future TCG Istanbul (pennant number: F-515). The ceremony hosted VIP guests including President of Turkey Recep Tayyip Erdogan, Ministry of Defence Hulusi Akar, Chief of the Turkish Armed Forces and Chief of the Turkish Navy. Pakistan Navy’s third ADA-class corvette’s (MILGEM) first welding was also conducted during the ceremony.
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... -istanbul/

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MammaLiTurchi wrote:Length : 113,2 m
Width : 14,4 m
Draft: 4,05 m
Deplacement : 3.000 t
Maximum Speed : 29+ kts
Cruise Speed : 14 kts
Personnel : 123 sailors
That kind of size seems to be the sweet spot for navies operating in enclosed seas, e.g. the Finnish Pohjanmaa Class has
Displacement: About 3,900 tons
Length: 114 m (374 ft)
Beam: 16 m (52 ft)
Draught: 5 m (16 ft)
Ice class: 1A
Installed power:

1 × GE LM2500 gas turbine
4 × MAN 12V175D generating sets (4 × 1,920 kW)
With the weapons systems being v similar,too.

The Turkish design has almost twice (?) the crew and has managed a permanent hangar, too.
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Video: Turkey’s New ATMACA Missile Aces Latest Tests, Achieves IOC
Turkey's ATMACA anti-ship missile was successfully test fired twice from an Ada-class corvette this week, marking a major milestone for the program as it achieved initial operational capability (IOC).
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According to our information, the first test too place on 3 February 2021 and consisted in a telemetry test, without the warhead. The next day, an ATMACA with a live warhead was tested. Both tests were successful meaning the missile has now reached IOC with the Turkish Navy.
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... ieves-ioc/

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Video: Turkey’s Armed USV ‘ULAQ’ Starts Sea Trials
Turkish companies ARES Shipyard and METEKSAN Defence announced that the prototype ULAQ armed unmanned surface vessel (USV) has been launched and its sea trials have started.

Those trials are taking place off the coast of Antalya, on Turkey’s southern coast where ARES Shipyard is located.
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... ea-trials/

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Analysis: The Future Of The Turkish Navy
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The presence and visibility of the Turkish Naval Forces (Türk Deniz Kuvvetleri) have increased considerably within the Blue Homeland doctrine framework for several years. Regional disputes require Turkish naval forces to deploy more at sea. Thus, the Turkish defense industry's national policy has supported the continuously active Turkish Navy (TN), and a force composition is formed with indigenous weapons and systems.
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... kish-navy/

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Airbus has integrated Turkish TEBER Laser Guidance kit for Mk-82 bombs on an Airbus owned C295.

Together with TEBER, UMTAS and Cirit missiles of Roketsan are to be integrated to the aircraft.

TEBER is also speculated to be used in Nagorno Karabakh conflict, with retrofit version for Su25 and Mig29 aircrafts.

TEBER is developed for Turkey's fight against PKK, which requires large amounts of guided ammunition, and Turkish need for embargo-free supply chain.

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/3 ... ittershare

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https://www.turkishdefencenews.com/crit ... ce-hurjet/

Another critical phase has been completed in the Turkish Aerospace HÜRJET Jet Evolution and Light Attack Aircraft. CDR activities of HÜRJET, developed by Turkish Aerospace engineers, have been completed.

Developed by Turkish Aerospace to meet the needs of the Turkish Air Force Command, HÜRJET Jet Evolution and Light Attack Aircraft has passed another critical stage. It has been reported that HÜRJET’s Critical Design Review (CDR) activity has been successfully completed. Turkish Aerospace started the production process of the first HÜRJET prototype.

Turkish Aerospace will develop four different HÜRJET configurations: Jet Evolution, Acroteam (Turkish Stars), Transition to Combat Readiness and Light Attack. Due to the need for Jet Evolution Aircraft of the Turkish Air Force Command, which is also the main factor in the birth of the program, the progress is focused mostly on this configuration

On the other hand, HÜRJET’s Light Attack configuration will serve as an ‘intermediate platform’ between armed drones and fighter aircraft, thus providing economic savings.

At What Stage is HÜRJET Project Schedule?

Production activities were started for the first prototype of the HÜRJET aircraft, whose CDR activities were successfully completed. In 2021, the first prototype is waiting for a series of challenging tests, such as static wind tunnel tests and air intake wind tunnel testing. The first prototype of the aircraft is expected to fly in December 2022, and the second prototype is expected to fly in January-February 2023. The first plane is planned to be delivered to the Turkish Air Force at the end of 2024 or at the beginning of 2025.

Until now, on the 1/10 scale model – Static Wind Tunnel, Air Net Wind Tunnel, Low Speed Wind Tunnel, Flight Control Laws, Flight Simulation Model Development, 270 Degree Simulator, Initial Load Cycle and First Structural Analysis Cycle activities have been successfully carried out.

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As I saw from another source, CDR report consists of 1700 pages, and abstracts the detailed design of the aircraft. In Hürjet, General Electric's F404 engine is selected.

As Hürjet is now ready to be built, prototype production phase of the aircraft begun.

Hürjet will have similar digital display and symbology with MMU TFX, the Turkish 5th generation fighter programme supported by BAE Systems.

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Turkish Navy Accepts Delivery Of 2nd MELTEM III Maritime Patrol Aircraft
Turkey’s Defense Industries Presidency (SSB) announced that it has delivered the second ATR-72 TMPA (P-72) Maritime Patrol Aircraft (MPA) to the Turkish Navy (Türk Deniz Kuvvetleri) within the scope of the MELTEM-III project.
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... -aircraft/

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xav wrote:Turkish Navy Accepts Delivery Of 2nd MELTEM III Maritime Patrol Aircraft
Turkey’s Defense Industries Presidency (SSB) announced that it has delivered the second ATR-72 TMPA (P-72) Maritime Patrol Aircraft (MPA) to the Turkish Navy (Türk Deniz Kuvvetleri) within the scope of the MELTEM-III project.
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... -aircraft/
Anyone knows what's the range of that aircraft?
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Two big technological leaps for Turkey today,

Hisar-A+ Air Defence Missile had its live fire test in maximum altitude and range and

Altay tank's indigenous alternative for 1500HP diesel engine, BMC POWER's BATU had its first ignition.

Turkey, under a severe weapons and sub systems embargo from USA and Europe, hastily tries to develop an independent defence industry which can sustain Turkish Armed Forces' challenging engagements.




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Hello, I would like to ask you if you have any source (can be a book, a magazine, a website or a photo) showing which versions of the AIM-9 the Turkish F-104S used.
The Italian version used only the AIM-9B, I would like to know if the Turkish une used something more advanced like the AIM-9E, F or J.
Thanks a lot

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As far as I know, until F4E came into service, Turkish Air Force used only AIM9B. Turkish F104Gs and F104S s bought from Italy were all using AIM9 B version.

With F4s AIM9 P version entered service.

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MammaLiTurchi wrote:Airbus has integrated Turkish TEBER Laser Guidance kit for Mk-82 bombs on an Airbus owned C295.

Together with TEBER, UMTAS and Cirit missiles of Roketsan are to be integrated to the aircraft.

TEBER is also speculated to be used in Nagorno Karabakh conflict, with retrofit version for Su25 and Mig29 aircrafts.

TEBER is developed for Turkey's fight against PKK, which requires large amounts of guided ammunition, and Turkish need for embargo-free supply chain.

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/3 ... ittershare
Why integrate all those weapons into a transport aircraft?

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Well why did the US embargo Turkey in the first place. The latter got its fingers burnt for trying to play nations off against each other. Going after the Kurds, all Kurds regardless of borders hasn't helped either.

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RunningStrong wrote:Why integrate all those weapons into a transport aircraft?
Turkey's fight against PKK, which requires large amounts of guided ammunition
There are so many civilians to bomb that fighter jets don't carry enough. South of the border 'they' - another gvnmnt of the same ilk - have had to use helicopters to drop barrel bombs (barrel to be taken literally) and ask the Ruskies to help... you see, there are still too many civilians left, after the millions that have fled the country.
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What I see in above two comments are pure ignorance out of reality.

Israel evicts people out of their homes, bombs the shit out of a tiny strip, invades third holiest mosque in holiest Islamic month, immediately throws any protester into prison and leaving them without trial for months.

I hate whataboutism and that is why I will escape that. Hamas fires rockets indiscriminantly. But wait, these gave legitimacy to Israel to respond with population erasing methods. Maybe they turn their eyes to let those missiles into Gaza. Mossad killing most protected Iranian scientist but cannot hit rocket depots before hand? Pure b*llsh*t.

I will not hesitate to admit that especially in 1990s, the Turkish-Kurdish clashes had more ethnic profile, and often state oppression were dominant response to popular uprisings. However, this pace is long past behind, state realized that poverty drives ethnic Kurds more into insurgency, and gave them social and economic opportunities.

Today, what Israel does is way worse than 90s Turkey, literally seizing properties from Palestinians. Such a crime is directly called a pogrom. Yet noone unleashes a firm embargo on Israelites. This is called Western double standards.

Kurdish question is just a useful tool for regional designs. Nobody cares about them in reality. Just like nobody cares about Algerians, Libyans or Iraqis. They are just useful.

1 million civilians dead in Iraq. 1 god damn million civilians. Did you embargo USA?

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Ok time to move on I think before we all get out of hand here.

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MammaLiTurchi wrote:Today, what Israel does is way worse than 90s Turkey, literally seizing properties from Palestinians. Such a crime is directly called a pogrom.
It sounds like a regional competition between three adjacent states: Turkey, Syria and Israel... who's winning (if that is the case)
MammaLiTurchi wrote:1 million civilians dead in Iraq. 1 god damn million civilians.
Pogrom; counting in millions ... starts to sound like what happened to Armenians (admittedly a good while back).
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ArmChairCivvy wrote:
MammaLiTurchi wrote:Today, what Israel does is way worse than 90s Turkey, literally seizing properties from Palestinians. Such a crime is directly called a pogrom.
It sounds like a regional competition between three adjacent states: Turkey, Syria and Israel... who's winning (if that is the case)
MammaLiTurchi wrote:1 million civilians dead in Iraq. 1 god damn million civilians.
Pogrom; counting in millions ... starts to sound like what happened to Armenians (admittedly a good while back).
Armenians were evicted as well. I will not alter the reality. Ottoman Empire was a multinational empire. But it turned nationalist, so once friendly and neighbor nations were seen hostile. Because Anatolia was filling up with evicted and deported Turks from Balkans.

The thought of Union and Progress was like, they zeroed Balkan Turkishness. They succeeded. Now it is our time to "clean" Anatolia.

This is like an endless spiral in human history.

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Don't go quoting Iraq, more Iraqis have been killed by other Iraqis than by western forces by a very substantial margin, in fact that goes for any country the West has intervened in the locals seem far better at killing each other than the UN/NATO forces as they have no ROE to follow. How many bombs have gone off in Market or Schools. How many civilians have been killed or maimed by IEDs or publicly executed for having a different belief than those that control where they live at any given time.

Yes UAV strikes have killed civilians and each time it has been investigated. A wedding was hit buy intel showed HVTs arriving at the venue so they were using the wedding as a cover. That is also classed as a war crime but you can bet no one on the other side was held to account.

I agree that how the Kurds were treated by the West especially the USA after they had been a major factor in defeating ISIS and forcing it to disperse, but Turkey jumped at the opportunity to occupy a substantial area of northern Iraq and Syria where the population was mainly Kurdish, and then wonder why these people, not the PKK decided to fight back, but of course any Kurd who fires at Turkish forces has to be a member of the PKK and so can be countered by the full weight of the Turkish Military, even though the latter doesn't seem to know how to use tanks given the number of Leopard 2s that were initially lost against Militia with only a few heavy weapons either captured or given to them by the US to fight ISIS.

As far as Israel goes, in Gaza they are responding to the launching of now thousands of missiles aimed at civilian targets. Hamas uses its population as human shields, and this means civilian casualties in Gaza are unavoidable. Israel warns civilians if an area is going to be attacked but sometimes Hamas deliberately hinders the civilians. If you live next to a sleeping bear you do not poke it with a sharp stick and not expect to be mauled by a bigger beast.

Regarding the West Bank, that is just an impossible situation that will never be resolved, though Israel is certainly making it worse by evicting Palestinians to make way for Israeli families. Jerusalem will never be the capital of a Palestinian state, Israel will simply not allow it. Maybe the Mosque, Wailing Wall and other religious sites should be put under UN control with all allowed to visit and pray creating a bubble, but Israel is going to obtain the control of the majority of the city as long as its powerful ally the USA does not stop them.

The main surprise and worry to Israel is the actions of the Israeli citizen who are Arab Palestinians. They are fully integrated into many settlements living side by side with Jewish Israelis, and trying to separate the various parties is almost impossible without destroying the communities totally.

Back to Gaza, as long as Hamas is in charge the citizens are going to suffer. Millions in aid has been diverted to equip its forces yet its propaganda repeated blames all the woes of Gaza on Israel. If Hamas terrorists infiltrate Israel by pretending to be workers then Israel has a right to close the border. Egypt has done the same many times. But the people of Gaza have no hope of replacing Hamas as it has total control over every facet of their lives.

Finally the majority of Palestinians who left Israel in the 1949 war were not driven out by Jews but left on the instruction of the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, as they were told the Jews would be soon crushed and they would be able to return home. Unfortunately for them it didn't turn out that way.

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