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How much money has Russia pumped into the Turkish economy to keep it stable(ish) as well. All Erdogan is really interested in is staying in power and as long as he can keep the people happy with the help of Russian money. He also see many benefits regarding buying military hardware form Russia, Turkey has actually done so for decades. If Russia offered their S400 systems at a greatly cheaper price than the US was offering Patriot for his decision makes sense, and when the US started threatening Turkey with regards to the F-35, Erdogan would have taken that as an offence. For me the question is how long Turkey allows NATO to retain its bases or even remains in NATO. ITs foreign policy has little in common with NATO's and it may see leaving as a viable option down the road.

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I agree I think at some point turkey will leave NATO ,a new world order is slowly emerging and as for the west it's just if they can contain it or end up slipping behind which at the moment not looking good but let's see,think Europe will have to step up if turkey leaves ,it would certainly puT cat amongst the pigeons for Europe

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We do seem to be getting closer to the position where the West will not care (US) or have significant influence (NATO/EU) East of Greece and West of Singapore.
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I think there will always be a presence of western forces in the Gulf States. Firstly they what western forces there and secondly we cannot simply ignore this key area of the globe. In addition China is making in roads into this area firstly through the use of naval bases in East Africa and the possibly in Pakistan.

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Defiance wrote:Probably because he's also asking the US for their F-35 money back
or to accept it as a down payment for... F-16s:
"Turkey has paid $1.4bn for the development and production of fifth generation F-35 [...]

Turkey sent a letter of request on 40 F-16s and 80 modernisation kits to Washington last month, which is believed to have a $6bn price tag. The move surprised many since there is a significant amount of ongoing animosity in the US congress towards Ankara for its regional policies, and Turkey is currently subject to US CAATSA sanctions following its S-400 purchase."
Ever-lasting truths: Multi-year budgets/ planning by necessity have to address the painful questions; more often than not the Either-Or prevails over Both-And.
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It does make sense for Turkey to do so as I believe it is the second largest F-16 operator in the world having manufactured the plane under license. Being able to build 40 more under licence, probably the F-16V model as well as kits to upgrade a number of its higher block number F-16 to F-16V standard, gives the TAF a significant boost incapability. It will be interesting to see how many indigenous weapons systems Turkey also clears for use on its aircraft?

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https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... mbly-line/

As Naval News previously reported, Baykar unveiled the MIUS project on June 20, 2021. The announcement came along with several surprising renderings showing the future Turkish TCG Anadolu helicopter landing dock. This was an unexpected development, as Baykar is reportedly working on the TB3 Bayraktar UCAV to be deployed aboard TCG Anadolu, and MIUS will be a second option for aircraft operations.

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https://www.defensenews.com/industry/20 ... h-fighter/

But in a March 5 television interview Demir said the government would now negotiate a possible engine deal with Rolls-Royce. “We had some issues [with Rolls-Royce] before,” he said. “These have been resolved. I think we are ready to work together.”
Industry sources said the new TAEC effort is part of a renewed interest in the TF-X program, also linked to the potential purchase by Turkey of scores of Eurofighter Typhoon aircraft as a stop-gap solution.

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https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... g-anadolu/

“Ships with short runways (LHD type) are one-twelfth cheaper than aircraft carriers, and Turkey manufactures its own ship. Helicopters or aircraft that can take off from ships with short runways can be used on board. Baykar’s MIUS and Bayraktar TB3 UCAV will be two of them.”

Selcuk Bayraktar, Baykar CTO

MIUS will be the second option, along with TB-3, for deploying airpower aboard the TCG Anadolu after it is potentially operational in 2025. MIUS will be deployed on the Anadolu as a light attack aircraft, although the unmanned combat aircraft is projected to conduct a multitude of military actions, such as strategic offensives, close air support (CAS), missile offensives, suppression of enemy air defenses (SEAD) and destruction of enemy air defenses (DEAD), according to Baykar.
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I am not quite sure where t post this but as it relates to Turkey here it is. My question is why is Turkey so keen to muddy the waters when it comes to Sweden and Finland joining NATO? The ones announced seem minor to say the least given the magnitude of these nations joining the Alliance. Saying that NATO's support for Greece in recent trouble between they and Turkey was one and the acceptance of Kurdish refugees into both Sweden and Finland is the other.

If I believed in conspiracies I would put forward another option. Given the personal friendship that exists between the Turkish President and Putin, could it be that the latter has had a word with the former and asked if he would kindly throw a spanner in the works regarding Sweden and Finland joining NATO? This would make a bit more sense that the reasons public ally stated. Could their be a benefit to Turkey for being a good friend either at a national or personal level? How about some cheap oil or Gas? additional loans or credit for Russian military hardware like additional S-400 Air Defence Systems.

Yes this a theory with little to back it up but eventsthat have occurred seem to be heavy in coincidence!

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It is politics - Turkey is of course within her rights to use this as leverage to further her own political military and economic interests and Turkey has expressed concern with the nordic countries harbouring people it considers as terrorrists. ie Turkey has its own logic which it has expressed and which can be the foundation of diplomatic jostling and then an agreement.

But - the real question is what is Hungaries problem aswell ?

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Only thing Turkey asks is : leave PKK related organizations (like SDF) to me and let me continue my operations in Iraq/Syria.

That is all.

Confederate Kurdish seperatism is what countries with sizeable Kurdish population hate. Unless they fail. (i.e. Iraq/Syria)

Westerners who do not understand how MidEast works push for this confederacy, which will end up with millions of refugees in their own turf.

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If that is all Turkey wants, to be left to conduct operations against the PKK whilst minimising civilian casualties and allowing humanitarian aid then fair enough.

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Lord Jim wrote: 15 May 2022, 20:13 If that is all Turkey wants, to be left to conduct operations against the PKK whilst minimising civilian casualties and allowing humanitarian aid then fair enough.
The problem is, these countries do not view PYD (Syrian branch of PKK) as related organization to PKK.

PKK in Turkey, PJAK in Iran, PYD in Syria are all united under the name of KCK, which represents the main body of Communist/Leftist Kurdish seperatism. Their rivals like ENKS in Syria or KDP in Iraq (Barzani's party) are mainly oppressed by these groups.

It is very funny when Sweden or US accept PKK as terrorist, but deny PYD is related to PKK so it can be formally supported. PYD is not a different body, it is just a renaming policy of the same organization. PKK transfers weapons in to and out from Syria thanks to aid given to PYD.

Many Turkish soldiers are killed in border posts by US supplied AT4s.

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Bet turkey will want ban on sale of f35 lifted as well to let Sweden in
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The Kurds are a problem that will require multiple countries to come together and agree a way forward, with the Kurds having their say as well. The actions of the Kurdish militants in Turkey are act of terrorism there is no doubt, but there is a danger of grouping all Kurds into that category without properly assessing who is who etc. Complicated situation made much worse by the wars in Iraq and Syria.

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Interesting developments by Turkey - very close to be able to field the bulk of its armed forces from its own resources at the rate that they are progressing.

The engine for TF-X as yet is still unresolved - would be interesting to see what happens on that front eventually..

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