UK Defence Forum

dmereifield wrote: ↑01 Jun 2022, 15:00
The German government has been pledging a lot but delivering little, late and in poor condition...so don't go holding your breath

It now turns out that Germany won’t send the M270 MLRs Scholz promised to Ukraine until much later than thought.

The Germans say the weapons system lacks a software update making it possible to fire American and British missiles.

The transfer “won’t happen before winter.”

Caribbean wrote: ↑08 Jun 2022, 16:40 Well, Oryx put (photographically confirmed) Russian tank losses at 760, so somewhere between the two

Tempest414 wrote: ↑09 Jun 2022, 17:35 Also any foreign fights on the Russian side better start thinking it could happen to them

Lord Jim wrote: ↑10 Jun 2022, 00:59 So how would the Ukrainian Separatists 'from eastern Ukraine that are fighting for Russia in the latter's war be classified? Also regarding the two "Brits". Well one had Ukrainian citizenship and the other had applied for it, plus both had served in the Ukrainian military and reserves since 2018.

The only think that was said in this trial was that the two guys were fighting for Ukraine, that is it. Ukraine will need to keep its soldiers and civilians in check or things could start to spiral. They didn't do themselves many favours though by putting that Russian soldier on trail whilst the war was ongoing. The Russians were able to spin it as a show trial for their publics consumption and probably encourage the recent event as a likely tit of tat.

Lord Jim wrote: ↑10 Jun 2022, 21:19 The way Ukraine handled the situation with the Russian soldier went against normal practice which is not to put those accused of war crimes on trial until after the war. They could have held the soldier as a POW until then, excluding him from and prisoner exchanges though. It was obvious the Russia and the Separatists, and it is the latter bringing the charges against the two UK blokes, would at least do a tit for tat trial,and the Azov Brigade was the perfect option given their past record and reputation. The fact that they are now much more like a regular Ukrainian unit than a militia unit means nothing to Russia or their lackies.

Lord Jim wrote: ↑17 Jun 2022, 23:30 I understand where you are coming from, but we are dealing with a country and its proxies that will ignore any lesson and carry out a counter trial of captured soldiers who will be convicted on what are most likely made up charges.

Lord Jim wrote: ↑17 Jun 2022, 23:30 I understand where you are coming from, but we are dealing with a country and its proxies that will ignore any lesson and carry out a counter trial of captured soldiers who will be convicted on what are most likely made up charges.

Lord Jim wrote: ↑23 Jun 2022, 20:59 With only a total of Twelve MLRS systems (HIMARS and M270) in total they will not have the impact the Ukrainians need they need dozens of each and a large supply of munitions of various types for these and the 155mm Guns delivered.

I still think we should send all our M270s and then try to get the Royal Artillery sixty odd HIMARS at a discount from the USA under FMS.

Zeno wrote: ↑27 Jun 2022, 22:05 This article suggests some success with its use
https://myukraineis.org/news/the_armed_ ... o-667.html