The war in Ukraine

[NickC]

Reuters reporting that Russia fired the first of their new Navy Zircon hypersonic sram missiles at Kyiv, (unknown if fired from land or sea). Hit apartment block and killed at least 5, what is noticeable is that none of Kyiv's AA defences including its two Patriot batteries and presumably the SAMP/T battery delivered last June with its Aster 30 Blk 1 missiles was able shoot down the hypersonic Zircon.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ru ... 024-02-12/

[tomuk]

what is noticeable is that none of Kyiv's AA defences including its two Patriot batteries and presumably the SAMP/T battery delivered last June with its Aster 30 Blk 1 missiles was able shoot down the hypersonic Zircon.

Is it noticeable? Have no other weapons penetrated Kyivs AA defences since there were established?

[Ian Hall]

BBC News - Russian landing ship Caesar Kunikov sunk off Crimea, says Ukraine
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-68292602

[NickC]

what is noticeable is that none of Kyiv's AA defences including its two Patriot batteries and presumably the SAMP/T battery delivered last June with its Aster 30 Blk 1 missiles was able shoot down the hypersonic Zircon.

Is it noticeable? Have no other weapons penetrated Kyivs AA defences since there were established?

In case you didn't notice in a previous post highlighted that not one of the of the almost 300 60's Kh-22s anti-carrier approx Mach 4.6 missiles fired at Ukraine had been shot down.

[Caribbean]

Just putting this here

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/0 ... lure-kyiv/

[NickC]

Just amazing how different reporters interpret the story

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/02/13/euro ... index.html

[Jdam]

https://mstdn.social/@noelreports/111930246712669846

[Jdam]

(strange it doesn't like me posting this with the link)

Another weapon we might be hearing more about.

This one is a bit different, its not coming from the back of someones warehouse, if it turns out to be cheaper and just as effective could it replace the M31 missile?

[2HeadsBetter]

I don't see any defensive fire at all coming from that Russian ship - allegedly Caesar Kunikov - seems taken completely by surprise.

[Jdam]

This one seem to be sitting off the coast rather than open water like the rest, mostly likely didn't expect any drones that close to land.

[Ian Hall]

https://t.co/QRJdKVLIwa

[Jdam]

We are very good at pledges in the West arnt we

[Phil Sayers]

No idea how representative or otherwise the image is but is it just me or does it look like France have asked MBDA to dust-off some of their Spear concepts and turn them into a powered drone?

[new guy]

No idea how representative or otherwise the image is but is it just me or does it look like France have asked MBDA to dust-off some of their Spear concepts and turn them into a powered drone?

wow, a tube with wings that has a see-through dome at the front. Definitely Spear 3 trademarked.

[tomuk]

No idea how representative or otherwise the image is but is it just me or does it look like France have asked MBDA to dust-off some of their Spear concepts and turn them into a powered drone?

wow, a tube with wings that has a see-through dome at the front. Definitely Meteor trademarked.

Don't you mean Brimstone or Spear 3. Meteor is completely different.

[new guy]

No idea how representative or otherwise the image is but is it just me or does it look like France have asked MBDA to dust-off some of their Spear concepts and turn them into a powered drone?

wow, a tube with wings that has a see-through dome at the front. Definitely Meteor trademarked.

Don't you mean Brimstone or Spear 3. Meteor is completely different.

thanks, edited now. [spear 3]

[SW1]

Not only do we turn a blind eye to the oil sailing by our shore we apparently continuing to trade with Russia via third countries

[tomuk]

Not only do we turn a blind eye to the oil sailing by our shore we apparently continuing to trade with Russia via third countries

More mathematical nonsense by Ed Conway look at the scale on the graphs!

[Ian Hall]

https://www.forces.net/ukraine/uk-send- ... es-ukraine

[mrclark303]

https://www.forces.net/ukraine/uk-send- ... es-ukraine

So who thinks there will be a forced diplomatic solution this year?

If the stailmate continues into the Autumn, without a significant counter offensive, then the pressure on Ukraine to settle will be intolerable.

Western support will slowly ramp down forcing a highly unpalatable ' diplomatic' solution.

In reality, it's already started, the US is already ramping down support, that effectively forces a diplomatic solution on Ukraine down the line, as they can't carry on the fight without Uncle Sam's backing.

[NickC]

Reported yesterday a second of Russia's limited number of operational (9?) A-50 AEW&C shot down, said to be 210 km from the front line with a 60 year old Ukrainian Soviet Union S-200.

Makes you wonder about the survivability of AEW&C a/c e.g. E-7 Wedgetail

[Jdam]

Any confirmation of the S-200?

[whitelancer]

One Ukranian website think believable, beyond the range of a Patriot, earlier did see a Ukranian MOD X post saying they used a S-200, sure if you search Google you will find it, Russia claiming it was shot down by friendly fire and not for the first time when reporting their losses.

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2024/02/24/7443493/

[Jdam]

Its not a small missile you would expect a AEW&C to be able to see a S-200 coming, if it cant see that what chance does it have against an F-22 or F-35

I don't think any air force if that incompetent to shot down their own AEW&C

I just wonder if we are seeing the true capability of Patriot.

[Ian Hall]

https://news.sky.com/story/your-island- ... y-13080436