Caribbean wrote: ↑03 Jun 2022, 09:48
dmereifield wrote: ↑02 Jun 2022, 20:45
Sholtz has been dealt a very poor hand.
You talk as if Scholtz had no part in the decision-making. He has been part of Merkel's government since 2007 (Vice Chancellor since 2018). He has been fully involved in German policy towards Russia for many years.
As for German assistance for Ukraine, what have they actually contributed so far? Helmets and ATGW**, (mostly non-functional).
The P-2000s (7), M270s (4) and Gephards (15 - actually volunteered by a private company, not the German government) have not been delivered yet. It's not even clear whether they are training Ukrainian servicemen on how to use them.
As for tanks, the demand to send Western tanks is not great at the moment - former WP countries have supplied/ are in the process of supplying over 230 T72s. Ukraine also seems to have captured more Russian tanks than it has lost to date.
** Edit: Plus anti-tank mines reported on today
Lol, so he's supposed to fix the German army gear in months after it's been broken for decades? Why are we surprised the German kit is broken or taking longer to make working? I mean I already said Germany was a dumbass, and made infinite political mistakes before the war. After the war, I judge Scholz/Germany to be fine. Everyone talking about delayed deliveries yet also criticizes the state of the Bundeswehr doesn't feel like it's a very good faith argument.
Shit's delayed coz it's broken and taking longer to fix to make battle ready.
Anyways, an actual list of what's sent.
https://archive.ph/YKy8M
900 of the Bundeswehr recoilless anti-tank handguns , Panzerfaust 3, plus 3000 rockets for the gun.
500 Stinger anti-aircraft missiles. Both deliveries were approved by the federal government just a few days after the start of the war and delivered to the Ukraine within a few days.
2053 Strela-2 short-range surface-to-air missiles . The delivery of the weapons from GDR production, which were still in storage at the Bundeswehr, was decided at the beginning of March and delivered in the weeks that followed.
50 armored ambulances (Unimog)
80 armored SUVs
14 pallets of medical material and half a million so-called one-man packs (field supplies)
100 MG3 machine guns and accessories
450,000 pieces of 12.7 mm caliber machine gun ammunition
1,000,000 pieces of 9 mm caliber ammunition
About 10,000,000 pieces of 7.62 mm caliber ammunition
Approximately 4,565,000 pieces of 5.56 mm caliber ammunition
15 M141 SMAW bunker fists , plus 50 missiles for the gun
1000 DM-12 PARM mines
18 MK-186 remote detonators
100,000 DM51 Frag Grenades
5000 explosive charges of the type SK DM12B1
300 DM904 explosive charges
1000 DM-12 PARM anti-tank mines
100,000 piece detonating cord kit
250,000 pieces of kindling
500 pieces bolt 7.62 mm for MG3
500 pieces replacement tube 7.62 mm for MG3
5100 RGW-90 anti-tank handguns . The Ukraine bought the modern anti-tank weapons, which the Bundeswehr uses under the name Matador, directly from the manufacturer. After the export license from the Federal Government, they were delivered to Ukraine in two tranches from the end of March.
1,600 KN57 DM22 anti-tank mines
3,000 KN55 DM31 anti-tank mines
Germany is also the top financial assistance country outside of the USA. Economic help to keep the lights running is just as important as military weapons.
To arrive.
These promised deliveries are pending
30 Gepard anti-aircraft gun tanks and around 60,000 pieces of ammunition. According to plans, the first of a total of 15 Gepard systems from German industry stocks are to arrive in the Ukraine in July. Another 15 are to follow in the course of the summer . The Ukrainian crew of the tanks is being trained in Germany at Bundeswehr firing ranges by the manufacturer's trainers.
4 Mars II multiple rocket launchers from Bundeswehr stocks, which are to be delivered to Ukraine by the end of June, according to government sources. The Bundeswehr has a total of 22 of the rocket launchers.
7 self-propelled howitzers 2000 . Delivery of the heavy artillery gun mounted on a tank chassis is expected to begin in July. Delivery was decided at the beginning of May. At that time, the Netherlands had asked Berlin whether they could send five German-made howitzers to the Ukraine. The federal government then decided to put together a larger package and deliver seven systems. Ukrainian soldiers are currently being trained on howitzers in Germany, but this is taking a little longer than initially hoped due to the complexity of the technology.
Iris-T type anti -aircraft system . The delivery was only decided a few days ago, Scholz announced it on Wednesday in the Bundestag. The air defense system from the German manufacturer Diehl Defense had already been requested by the Ukraine in Berlin in early May, but a corresponding application for export was only approved a few days ago. According to the manufacturer, the system offers protection against attacks by aircraft, helicopters, cruise missiles and short-range ballistic missiles. However, delivery to the Ukraine will take several months and will probably not take place until late autumn or winter.
Cobra type radars . Not much is known about the details of the delivery so far. Presumably, however, it is also a question of a direct purchase by Ukraine from the German armaments industry. According to the Bundeswehr, Cobra is the world's most powerful artillery detection radar. The main task of the system is the precise localization of enemy artillery, rockets and mortars.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/commen ... d_mlrs_in/