The war in Ukraine

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swoop wrote: 14 Sep 2022, 11:03
bobp wrote: 13 Sep 2022, 12:56Doubt that they are using British Boxers.
Probably a Husky then? :think:

Either way, I bet there is a kettle in there somewhere, confusing foreign users... It certainly perplexes the Septics!
It's certainly the right approach, fast moving, hard hitting and rapidly redeployable units will start to hit the Russians hard as Autumn really gets into its stride.

Winter rolls in fast and early in part of the world and dosen't ease its grip before mid April. By early October, the temperature will drop fast and the rain will turn the ground to mud again. A combination of re built , re equipped and retrained Ukrainian Battalion battle groups, coupled with these independent small manoeuvre groups, will begin to really hurt the Russians.

The question is, how will Russia lash out? It's a concern...

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From what I've heard, we are supplying Mastiff, Wolfhound, Husky and CVR(T) (Scimitar, Samaritan and Samson). Presumably all would be good candidates for a "light" mobile force, coupled with Hummers, Bushmasters and other countries' MRAPs.

Looks like "light strike" just got a tryout
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Caribbean wrote: 14 Sep 2022, 13:52 From what I've heard, we are supplying Mastiff, Wolfhound, Husky and CVR(T) (Scimitar, Samaritan and Samson). Presumably all would be good candidates for a "light" mobile force, coupled with Hummers, Bushmasters and other countries' MRAPs.

Looks like "light strike" just got a tryout
Did I hear some where that the Ukrainian's where using 30 light mech battalion battle groups in the north

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Comedy hour on Russian State TV is an absolute belter (and also utterly terrifying):


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Better than that was where they said:
Ukranian soldiers would eat Russian children

British were encouraging Ukraine to invade Moscow

Half of all Ukranian army are NATO troops

Or my new favourite: this special military operation is like worming.a cat: a special operation for the vet, war for the worm
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mrclark303 wrote: 14 Sep 2022, 12:56It's certainly the right approach, fast moving, hard hitting and rapidly redeployable units will start to hit the Russians hard as Autumn really gets into its stride.

Winter rolls in fast and early in part of the world and dosen't ease its grip before mid April.
I believe the temperature has already dropped to 3 degrees overnight there. Winters can get down to seriously low temperatures. This has aided with encouraging troops to surrender.
Interestingly the russian troops have suffered the same problem as nazi Germany did during Op Barbarossa, when they didn't supply troops with winter uniform as it was going to be a "quick victory". Hopefully the russian terrorists have dumped the clothing they had for the initial invasion.

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swoop wrote: 16 Sep 2022, 08:24
mrclark303 wrote: 14 Sep 2022, 12:56It's certainly the right approach, fast moving, hard hitting and rapidly redeployable units will start to hit the Russians hard as Autumn really gets into its stride.

Winter rolls in fast and early in part of the world and dosen't ease its grip before mid April.
I believe the temperature has already dropped to 3 degrees overnight there. Winters can get down to seriously low temperatures. This has aided with encouraging troops to surrender.
Interestingly the russian troops have suffered the same problem as nazi Germany did during Op Barbarossa, when they didn't supply troops with winter uniform as it was going to be a "quick victory". Hopefully the russian terrorists have dumped the clothing they had for the initial invasion.
Let's hope so Swoop, it's turning into a full collapse in places as Russians surrender who can't outrun the advance. Meanwhile Russia has gone cap in hand to China, desperate to get them to underpin the invasion.

China are playing it cool and keeping a boot in both camps, they aren't stupid and certainly won't back a loosing side, or cause issues for themselves with the West.

Chances are Russia will come out this flat broke and a satellite of Chinese, firmly under their control and dependant on their charity.

Signs of support for Putin cracking too, hopefully someone will make a move on him, put a bullet in his head and switch this utter madness off....
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mrclark303 wrote: 16 Sep 2022, 09:22
swoop wrote: 16 Sep 2022, 08:24
mrclark303 wrote: 14 Sep 2022, 12:56It's certainly the right approach, fast moving, hard hitting and rapidly redeployable units will start to hit the Russians hard as Autumn really gets into its stride.

Winter rolls in fast and early in part of the world and dosen't ease its grip before mid April.
I believe the temperature has already dropped to 3 degrees overnight there. Winters can get down to seriously low temperatures. This has aided with encouraging troops to surrender.
Interestingly the russian troops have suffered the same problem as nazi Germany did during Op Barbarossa, when they didn't supply troops with winter uniform as it was going to be a "quick victory". Hopefully the russian terrorists have dumped the clothing they had for the initial invasion.
Let's hope so Swoop, it's turning into a full collapse in places as Russians surrender who can't outrun the advance. Meanwhile Russia has gone cap in hand to China, desperate to get them to underpin the invasion.

China are playing it cool and keeping a boot in both camps, they aren't stupid and certainly won't back a loosing side, or cause issues for themselves with the West.

Chances are Russia will come out this flat broke and a satellite of the Chinese, firmly under their control and dependant on their charity.

Signs of support for Putin cracking too, hopefully someone will make a move on him, put a bullet in his head and switch this utter madness off....

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Enigmatically wrote: 16 Sep 2022, 00:01 Better than that was where they said:
Ukranian soldiers would eat Russian children

British were encouraging Ukraine to invade Moscow

Half of all Ukranian army are NATO troops

Or my new favourite: this special military operation is like worming.a cat: a special operation for the vet, war for the worm
As a Member of the Royal College of Veterinary Surgeons, I can assure worming felines often requires special operations on the said clinician to repair fanged digits or worse, leaving worms and feline the victors. They obviously haven't tried worming a cat. :D

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September 16th Inside Defense reported DOD sending $600M in additional military aid to Ukraine, total US aid $15.8 billion since August 2021,

Additional $600 million :-
- Additional ammunition for High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems (HIMARS)
- 36,000 105 mm artillery rounds
- 1,000 precision-guided 155 mm artillery rounds
- Four counter-artillery radars
- Four trucks and eight trailers to transport heavy equipment
- Counter-Unmanned Aerial Systems
- Mine clearing equipment
- Claymore anti-personnel munitions
- Demolition munitions and equipment
- Small arms and ammunition
- Night vision devices, cold weather gear, and other field equipment

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The Yanks arnt messing about now, I guess that the Ukrainian will to fight is well beyond doubt it makes it easier to supply them weapons knowing they wont be given away to the other side.




Removing their subs from Sevastopol, interesting.

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Makes you think, doesn't it, that Russia could simply have re-located it's Black Sea fleet to Novorossiysk years ago. I bet it would have cost a lot less to enhance the facilities there, than it has cost in attempting to invade Crimea and now, the rest of Ukraine.
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Moskva sinking

Interesting video, claims sight of Russian maintenance report that has recently surfaced on Moskva that was issued 14 days before start of Ukrainian invasion, a horror story of hardly any of its weapon systems working, its propulsion system and steering had major defects and the damage control seriously degraded, but as it was Russia Moskva was given a satisfactory rating and signed off by Admiral.

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Quite the stat considering this war is 7 months old and against the peer enemy in Europe


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SW1 wrote: 20 Sep 2022, 22:52Quite the stat considering this war is 7 months old and against the peer enemy in Europe
They inherited substantial numbers of aircraft when they split with the USSR, only keeping a few squadrons airworthy (and also upgrading them) since then. Now it seems they are re-activating some of the stored aircraft.

It is pleasing to see russian troop reserves are almost non-existant and also the last tank brigade is on its last legs. Slava Ukraini!

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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/20 ... in-forces/
Another challenge is that UK accounting rules penalise stockpiles of ammunition as a wasting asset, he said, which rewards many departments, including the MoD, for shunning large stores of consumables held just in case.
Truly shocking ....
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One of Gordon Browns bright ideas, namely "Resource Account Budgeting". We greatly reduced our holdings of both consumables and repairables at units and depot and tries to rely on a just in tome policy for to delivery of new consumables and repaired items from the OEM. It led to the finance cells in each branch trebling in size, as well as the amount of finance related taskd significantly increasing for all other stall members. At units it meant platforms were often "Christmas treed" to provide urgently needed spares or for Modification Kits to be opened for individual items for the same reason. ALl this of course was followed by handing nearly all support functions back to the Manufacturer, who were then paid to deliver an agreed level of platform availability.
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Ukraine Situation Report: Multiple Russian Aircraft Shot Down In A Day

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/u ... n-in-a-day

A day after air defenses had to confront waves of Iranian-supplies suicide drones, Ukraine says it shot down 4 Russian tactical jet aircraft Saturday over the frontlines.

The Ukrainian General Staff claimed troops shot down two Russian Su-30SM Flankers, a Su-25SM Frogfoot, a Su-34 Fullback, five drones, and a cruise missile. Footage showed a Su-34 trailing fire from its right engine over the frontline in Kharkiv Oblast, with a later clip showing a fireball and crash site in the area.
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Reuters reporting Ukraine has received from the US its first NASAMS, a Kongsberg/Raytheon air defense system based on the AIM-120/AMRAAM sold to ten countries, claimed range 20 miles and 50,000'.

Raytheon developing the AMRAAM-ER with the forward warhead and guidance section of the AIM-120C7 and the motor and control section from the RIM-162 Evolved Sea Sparrow Missile (ESSM), AMRAAM-ER will extend the limited 20 mile range by 50% to 30 miles, Qatar will be the eleventh country and first to order the AMRAAM-ER


https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/uk ... 022-09-25/
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His office has issued a clarification this morning. Unfortunately, when he said in the CBS interview that they have received NASAMS he meant that the delivery has been agreed rather than the system is already in Ukraine.
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Fascinating video, in the Ukrainian's own words, as to how they were able to attack and destroy a number of Russian strong points. I was especially interested how the Tank unit Commander did not actually accompany his unit but used Quad-copter UAVs to direct them in real time.
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The last couple of days have seen Russian lines completely collapse in both the Donbass and Kherson. Advances of 20 KM a day and Russian troops in utter disarray with their morale completely broken. The Ukrainians need to be careful not to over-extend themselves before logistics etc can catch up but there doesn't seem to be any sign at all of Russia preparing a large scale counter-attack.

I am starting to think the war may be essentially over before winter sets in with the main remaining question being whether Ukraine goes for Crimea in the Spring. Without taking anything for granted it is genuinely astonishing that all momentum is with Ukraine after eight months of all out conventional war against the supposed might of Russia. Well done!
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As the Ukrainians push the Russian south towards Kherson, they are trapped except for a number of lash up ferries, on the wrong side of a major river. The Ukranian do seem to be aware of the risk of overextending themselves as well, moving support and logistics units up behind there advancing forces. There is a definite timescale for the Ukranian counter offensive, that being the beginning of winter, when they will have halted and dug in to defend their gains. Their aim would then be to prepare their forces to resume operation in the spring, with hopefully additional equipment from the west.

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I think it's going to be a hot fight winter. Also Kherson looks like it's going to fall by next month or earlier.

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There have been already some footage of tanks having to traverse muddy ground before the real onset of winter ,I don't know if there are plans for lighter fighting vehicles but certainly tractors may be important again for mired armoured vehicles
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2022/a ... ck-in-mire
Certainly poorly equipped troops in dugouts in the snow would appreciate a hot winter, just how many will have a white winter camo , uniform is anyone's guess

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