Multi-Role Ocean Surveillance Ships
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Looking good on the Thames!
....can't help but think she would suit dazzle camo to match the B1 Rivers though...
....can't help but think she would suit dazzle camo to match the B1 Rivers though...
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Superb images of HMS Belfast alongside RFA Proteus. She's being brought into service at a critical time. Ben Wallace was desperately keen to get her operational ASAP. For very good reasons.
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Not long till we have a new one! Though sadly lacking 12 x 6" guns...
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In place, she has a 24'x24' moon pool.
Anyway, she is very impressively "bulky". It looks like we can enjoy tennis in her bridge.
from Navylookout article.
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Thats got to help recruitment and retention!donald_of_tokyo wrote: ↑11 Oct 2023, 01:13 Anyway, she is very impressively "bulky". It looks like we can enjoy tennis in her bridge.
With the RFA/RN crew split it’s not too onerous of the RFA which is great.
For around £80m the MoD really should make it a pair.
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Especially with her sister ship Topaz Tiamat apparently due to finish her fixed contract next year, as per link higher up in thread.Poiuytrewq wrote: ↑11 Oct 2023, 08:21Thats got to help recruitment and retention!donald_of_tokyo wrote: ↑11 Oct 2023, 01:13 Anyway, she is very impressively "bulky". It looks like we can enjoy tennis in her bridge.
With the RFA/RN crew split it’s not too onerous of the RFA which is great.
For around £80m the MoD really should make it a pair.
Having two sister ships will help with maintenance and logistics. Allowe them to take turns with one focusing on Atlantic cables and the other covering North Sea and up towards High North.
£80m feels like a bargain price for subsea capabilities even if required some convecosr
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anything on the open market probably has the same maintance / logistical costs as a class in the RN.wargame_insomniac wrote: ↑11 Oct 2023, 18:25Especially with her sister ship Topaz Tiamat apparently due to finish her fixed contract next year, as per link higher up in thread.Poiuytrewq wrote: ↑11 Oct 2023, 08:21Thats got to help recruitment and retention!donald_of_tokyo wrote: ↑11 Oct 2023, 01:13 Anyway, she is very impressively "bulky". It looks like we can enjoy tennis in her bridge.
With the RFA/RN crew split it’s not too onerous of the RFA which is great.
For around £80m the MoD really should make it a pair.
Having two sister ships will help with maintenance and logistics. Allowe them to take turns with one focusing on Atlantic cables and the other covering North Sea and up towards High North.
£80m feels like a bargain price for subsea capabilities even if required some convecosr
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?????new guy wrote: ↑11 Oct 2023, 19:56anything on the open market probably has the same maintance / logistical costs as a class in the RN.wargame_insomniac wrote: ↑11 Oct 2023, 18:25Especially with her sister ship Topaz Tiamat apparently due to finish her fixed contract next year, as per link higher up in thread.Poiuytrewq wrote: ↑11 Oct 2023, 08:21Thats got to help recruitment and retention!donald_of_tokyo wrote: ↑11 Oct 2023, 01:13 Anyway, she is very impressively "bulky". It looks like we can enjoy tennis in her bridge.
With the RFA/RN crew split it’s not too onerous of the RFA which is great.
For around £80m the MoD really should make it a pair.
Having two sister ships will help with maintenance and logistics. Allowe them to take turns with one focusing on Atlantic cables and the other covering North Sea and up towards High North.
£80m feels like a bargain price for subsea capabilities even if required some convecosr
I am sorry but don;t understand your maning. The cost of purchasing Topaz Tangaroa was £80m - I doubt that could build it in UK for anything like that low.
If you are purely talking about ongoing annual costs, then surely there would be some cost savings of having two identica ships, instead of say two different ships of very different designs. You would nt need two sets of different spare parts if you had common components to both ships. The UK builder who would be responsible for their refits, repairs and maintenance (Cammell Laird I presume?) would surely also have some cost savings of repeating tasks on two ships of the same designs as they would have the memories of what they did first time round.
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I'm talking about how another user talked about the maintance costs:wargame_insomniac wrote: ↑11 Oct 2023, 22:02?????new guy wrote: ↑11 Oct 2023, 19:56anything on the open market probably has the same maintance / logistical costs as a class in the RN.wargame_insomniac wrote: ↑11 Oct 2023, 18:25Especially with her sister ship Topaz Tiamat apparently due to finish her fixed contract next year, as per link higher up in thread.Poiuytrewq wrote: ↑11 Oct 2023, 08:21Thats got to help recruitment and retention!donald_of_tokyo wrote: ↑11 Oct 2023, 01:13 Anyway, she is very impressively "bulky". It looks like we can enjoy tennis in her bridge.
With the RFA/RN crew split it’s not too onerous of the RFA which is great.
For around £80m the MoD really should make it a pair.
Having two sister ships will help with maintenance and logistics. Allowe them to take turns with one focusing on Atlantic cables and the other covering North Sea and up towards High North.
£80m feels like a bargain price for subsea capabilities even if required some convecosr
I am sorry but don;t understand your maning. The cost of purchasing Topaz Tangaroa was £80m - I doubt that could build it in UK for anything like that low.
If you are purely talking about ongoing annual costs, then surely there would be some cost savings of having two identica ships, instead of say two different ships of very different designs. You would nt need two sets of different spare parts if you had common components to both ships. The UK builder who would be responsible for their refits, repairs and maintenance (Cammell Laird I presume?) would surely also have some cost savings of repeating tasks on two ships of the same designs as they would have the memories of what they did first time round.
Commonality is great but sometimes it’s another word for bespoke.
Bespoke is another word for very expensive and not readily available.
When operating commercial vessels the commonality is automatically included.
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Ok - was confused because you had quoted my post rather than this other post.new guy wrote: ↑11 Oct 2023, 22:05 I'm talking about how another user talked about the maintance costs:
Commonality is great but sometimes it’s another word for bespoke.
Bespoke is another word for very expensive and not readily available.
When operating commercial vessels the commonality is automatically included.
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Why the Multi-Role Ocean Surveillance ships & other assets are so important as the mega project the Dogger Bank wind farm begins to come on line.
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Topaz marine brochure with Vessel Specifications
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Both ships are currently in Lairds - the new one for conversion - never seen the MoD move so quickly!
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Which ships? Tiamet is currently somewhere north of Australia heading for Singapore.
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I’ll have to check tomorrow but when I went to the DIY shop this morning there is another blue ship in Lairds that looks exactly like Proteus
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Yeah saw her myself driving past goin over to Liverpool will try take a photo and post on here during the week
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ais is showingwirralpete wrote: ↑14 Jan 2024, 22:15Yeah saw her myself driving past goin over to Liverpool will try take a photo and post on here during the week
a calmac ferry - blue and white
a stenna ferry - mostly white
proteus - grey
tiderace -grey
currently at Lairds.
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Yeah weird just checked on AIS myself was definitely a blue colour similar ship to Proteus questioning myself now want me to drive down lol And was in the wet basin with one of the Tides weird it’s not showing up
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proteus isn't blue anymore... Maybe another OSV?wirralpete wrote: ↑14 Jan 2024, 22:27 Yeah weird just checked on AIS myself was definitely a blue colour similar ship to Proteus questioning myself now want me to drive down lol And was in the wet basin with one of the Tides weird it’s not showing up
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Must have been this one left tranmere (lairds) 12 hours ago Boka Topaz now in Liverpool bay/ Irish Sea
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Phew - been past this morning and it wasn’t there just Proteus so was wondering if I was seeing thingswirralpete wrote: ↑14 Jan 2024, 23:53 Must have been this one left tranmere (lairds) 12 hours ago Boka Topaz now in Liverpool bay/ Irish Sea
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Being Liverpool, bet you thought it had been knickedAR9 wrote: ↑15 Jan 2024, 09:09Phew - been past this morning and it wasn’t there just Proteus so was wondering if I was seeing thingswirralpete wrote: ↑14 Jan 2024, 23:53 Must have been this one left tranmere (lairds) 12 hours ago Boka Topaz now in Liverpool bay/ Irish Sea