AERALIS - Modular Jet Trainer

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Defiance wrote:Sounds a bit too good to be true. You do have to wonder how much rigour is behind their design if they can make these sorts of claims this early in the lifecycle.
The rigour comes form their development processes and how they will model the development lifecycle as building blocks versus the traditional approach of treating each product as a bespoke product with its own replicated unique lifecycle for development and treating it product as a unique "work of art" with all of the associated costs.

AERALIS is predicating their approach on the greater use of automation of design based on rule based modelling, automation of testing and modular manufacturing techniques and modular certification lifecycles and "standardised" interfaces.

Aerospace is going "agile" and that the approach that AERALIS is taking - it is a mind shift for a lot of people - but if you have worked in software for any time, you would be familiar with the concept. I am excited by the approach that AERALIS is taking and i have my fingers crossed for them.

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TheLoneRanger wrote:The rigour comes form their development processes and how they will model the development lifecycle as building blocks versus the traditional approach of treating each product as a bespoke product with its own replicated unique lifecycle for development.

It is predicated on the greater use of automation of design based on rule based modelling, automation of testing and modular building techniques.

Sounds like a bunch of PR rubbish to me. Aeralis has between 11-50 employees - if you assume they have the usual functions like business development, commerical groups, HR etc they probably have only a handful of actual engineers doing any work. There are dozens of specialities around aircraft design.

Nowhere near enough to have confidence in nearly all of the design possibilities they espouse.

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Defiance wrote:
TheLoneRanger wrote:The rigour comes form their development processes and how they will model the development lifecycle as building blocks versus the traditional approach of treating each product as a bespoke product with its own replicated unique lifecycle for development.

It is predicated on the greater use of automation of design based on rule based modelling, automation of testing and modular building techniques.

Sounds like a bunch of PR rubbish to me. Aeralis has between 11-50 employees - if you assume they have the usual functions like business development, commerical groups, HR etc they probably have only a handful of actual engineers doing any work. There are dozens of specialities around aircraft design.

Nowhere near enough to have confidence in nearly all of the design possibilities they espouse.
It comes down to getting the funding to prove their new approach - that is different of course different to where they are now. That is where investors will come in with the risk of funding AERALIS versus the reward if their approach pays off.

Look at Tesla - new upstart from nothing to where they are now - they predicated their organisation on a different approach and it seems to working fairly well for them. They needed money and funding to get where they are now.

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TheLoneRanger wrote:It comes down to getting the funding to prove their new approach - that is different of course different to where they are now. That is where investors will come in with the risk of funding AERALIS versus the reward if their approach pays off.

Look at Tesla - new upstart from nothing to where they are now - they predicated their organisation on a different approach and it seems to working fairly well for them. They needed money and funding to get where they are now.
Admirable sentiment but you can't just point at Tesla and say the approach works. History is littered with companies who tried something different and went bust. It's all about the execution of the approach which Aeralis has yet to demonstrate they are capable of doing above and beyond the wider industry.

Right now we've seen a lot of material from their business people, I suspect most here are well aware of how business people will over-promise and under-deliver. When they start making technological progress then I might be a bit more confident but even that isn't a guarantee (look at REL).

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UK aerospace start-up Aeralis has received a boost in its efforts to develop a new jet training aircraft after signing an investment agreement with an unnamed Middle Eastern sovereign wealth fund.

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Announcing the agreement on September 16 at the DSEI exhibition and conference in London, UK, the company revealed the initial investment totalled £10.5m (US$14.4m), which will support the design, development and first flight of its Advanced Jet Trainer platform.
https://www.airinternational.com/articl ... alis-start

Still small potatoes (presumably small, modular agile potatoes.....) However Aeralis seem to getting somewhere at least.

The graveyard of "low cost, light combat/trainer aircraft" startups is pretty well populated....

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10 mill to design and develop through to first flight. Should give them Tempest :D

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Mystery 'Mid-East investment fund' is Qatari...


UK aerospace start-up Aeralis has received a boost in its efforts to develop a new jet training aircraft after signing an investment agreement with an unnamed Middle Eastern sovereign wealth fund.
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Announcing the agreement on September 16 at the DSEI exhibition and conference in London, UK, the company revealed the initial investment totalled £10.5m (US$14.4m), which will support the design, development and first flight of its Advanced Jet Trainer platform.

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Must be a tax write off :lol:

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