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Re: Ground Based Air Defence

Postby Timmymagic » 15 Jan 2019, 13:18

ArmChairCivvy wrote:I think the 'inners' for those that we have got refurbed... but the number of them in total is not much off from 10!


Given the age of the platform, you'd think the Germans would be looking to incorporate those systems into a newer more survivable platform, for the UK with the Fuch's being an orphan platform you'd think that we'd be very interested in getting it into Boxer asap.

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Re: Ground Based Air Defence

Postby Lord Jim » 15 Jan 2019, 18:38

Boxer Fan here, well yet again the swappable Mission Module rides to the rescue, as all the Germans or others have to do is develop a NBC Warfare module and bolt it on to a Boxer they already have and problem solved.

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Re: Ground Based Air Defence

Postby NickC » 21 May 2019, 16:25

RAF awarded contract to Spanish company Indra last week for one of their Lanza Long Tactical Range 25 radars, max. range ~ 210 to 240nm, to be delivered before year end.

The LTR-25 is a L-band (frequency range of ~1-2GHz with a wavelength range of ~30-15cm) solid-state 3D long range radar, planar array antenna horizontal linear elements vertically stacked, each with its own receiver with ultra low sidelobes, with frequency agility, pulse to pulse, burst to burst and wide operating bandwidth, essential for effective ECCM with an IFF with a 5 to 12 rpm rotating antenna.

Presume a software controlled time shared phased array radar, the main beam can start a track immediately upon detecting a target, since can instantly reposition the beam upon it instead of waiting for the next sweep, the single beam and or limited number being time-shared between the various duties (surveillance, tracking etc.).

(The later newer gen radars are AESA, active electronic-scan arrays, use each of the transmitters a receiver in its own right, essentially an antenna formed by thousands of independent (but co-ordinated) TRMs, transmitter receiver modules, which allows the forming of multiple independent main beams, each assigned to its own task.)

For mission required the LTR-25 adequate and no doubt less costly than latest gen long range radar eg Thales Nederland SMART-L MM, AESA with its powerful GaN TRMs and dual axis multibeam receiver tech, 400km air, 750-1,000km BMD (though mention of 2,000km instrumented range), track up to 2,000 targets.

Guessing Sampson not applicable as out of production and appears no funding to update to GaN TRMs etc

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Re: Re: Ground Based Air Defence

Postby PapaGolf » 21 May 2019, 20:12

I’ve no idea why were supporting the Spanish economy when they behave the way they do over Gibraltar. Would much rather we supported proper allies.

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Re: Ground Based Air Defence

Postby Lord Jim » 22 May 2019, 02:11

Because unlike the majority of nations we deal with we believe in playing fair and by any rule laid down either by the EU or globally. Few other do, France for example.

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Re: Ground Based Air Defence

Postby Timmymagic » 28 May 2021, 12:23

CAMM-ER on the way for the Army...


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Re: Ground Based Air Defence

Postby Lord Jim » 03 Jun 2021, 02:49

Does anyone know what radar the Italian Land Ceptor ER uses?

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Re: Ground Based Air Defence

Postby Ron5 » 03 Jun 2021, 12:48

Lord Jim wrote:Does anyone know what radar the Italian Land Ceptor ER uses?


Here's the best source that I know on CAMM-ER ..

https://www.edrmagazine.eu/albatros-ng-naval-air-defence-system-detailed

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Re: Ground Based Air Defence

Postby Andy-M » 03 Jun 2021, 13:37

Lord Jim wrote:Does anyone know what radar the Italian Land Ceptor ER uses?


Found this;

" -- the Posto Comando Modulo di Ingaggio (Command Post Engagement Module, PCMI) equipped with the X-TAR 3D search radar for the army, and
-- the Medium Advanced Air Defence System (MAADS) for the air force, which will operate with the SIRUS command post and its KRONOS LND search radar. "

here:

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articl ... ssile.html

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Re: Ground Based Air Defence

Postby ArmChairCivvy » 03 Jun 2021, 14:10

Andy-M wrote:- the Posto Comando Modulo di Ingaggio (Command Post Engagement Module, PCMI) equipped with the X-TAR 3D search radar for the army, and
-- the Medium Advanced Air Defence System (MAADS) for the air force, which will operate with the SIRUS command post and its KRONOS LND search radar. "


About Albatros (Navy's ER) the point is made that integration with any CMS is easy (and the whole point of CAMM is that it is sensor agnostic,; the other side of CMS).

But on land? No CMS :idea:
- in our case, Saab+ Israeli bits (deconflictation of the near-airspace has been built in)
... Next question: Will it be EASY just to slot in CAMM-ER when (and if) required?
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Re: Ground Based Air Defence

Postby Lord Jim » 04 Jun 2021, 02:45

Well found this out regarding the KRONUS Radar system. It is built by Leonardo and is the successor to the EMPAR series of Radars. It is a family of state of the art AESA radars for use both on land and sea, and we all know Leonardo can build good radars.
https://www.leonardocompany.com/en/news ... lia-kronos


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