Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

[Clive F]

Still think there will be some "geographical" connection to try and be "UK inclusive". Or have we got so few ships now that is not possible?

[abc123]

On a more humorous note:

HMS Fitted but not with
HMS Pennyless
HMS Harpoonless
HMS Cut
HMS Gap
HMS Cancelled
HMS Overpriced
HMS Rising defence budget

[The Armchair Soldier]

Let's get back to more serious discussion of news items in this topic please.
Use the general discussion thread if you wish to speculate over names.

[marktigger]

So, will Type 26 be E-class? ( because Dreadnought is presumably D-class, or if that doesen't count, Daring is D-class )? If so:

HMS Eagle
HMS Eclipse
HMS Egmont
HMS Encounter
HMS Endurance
HMS Essex
HMS Exeter
HMS Exmouth

What do you think?

E has been used for the survey vessels

[hovematlot]

would love to see the 26's as County class

Devonshire
Fife
Glamorgan
Antrim
London
Norfolk
Cumbria
Shropshire

Best guess so far IMHO..

[RetroSicotte]

Folks, please take notice of Armchair's request. We prefer to be nice and polite about it.

[FuNsTeR]

what air defense system will we go for as well as anti ship missiles and if we are to have cruise missile capability the Tomahawk is not the answer it is to old and to slow compared to the Russian Kalibr cruise missiles they are even firing them from corvettes

[PAUL MARSAY]

By the time they come into service will Artisan be in need of an upgrade ? For example a double face Artisan.

[Aethulwulf]

The Canadian T26 proposal looks good. Main differences appears to be:

•32 Mk41 cells
•Fixed array radar (not sure of exact details)
•SeaRAM
•Harpoon launchers

[ArmChairCivvy]

V good indeed.

Looks like SeaRam x 3?

The space where the Harpoons are can clearly take bigger canisters, too, in the future.

Any word on ASW (exc. for the helo as in the picture)?

[RetroSicotte]

It looks like that version has also dropped the second doors on the side of the ship? All the British renders have the davits and mission bay doors as separate.

[Pongoglo]

Very interesting indeed, especially Harpoon. Have always thought the biggest weakness in our design was the absence of allocated space for canister launched missiles, need not be Harpoon but NSM would be nice . When I looked at the final (?) CGI of our design the space behind the funnel seemed like the only place they could go and Absolom has them in a similar position but I wondered if it would make her too top heavy, apparently not.

Also the additional Mk 48 silo's makes perfect sense and I dont know why we didnt go that route, could still quad pack CAAM, in fact why not two, for a total of 48, there would appear to be space? Could still carry 32 CAAM forward, and leave 40 Silos for everything else, keep the light weight launchers for the amidships fit.

[Ron5]

V good indeed.

Looks like SeaRam x 3?

The space where the Harpoons are can clearly take bigger canisters, too, in the future.

Any word on ASW (exc. for the helo as in the picture)?

Where do you see 3 SeaRam?

[Ron5]

It looks like that version has also dropped the second doors on the side of the ship? All the British renders have the davits and mission bay doors as separate.

One door starboard because of diesel up/down drafts, 2 doors port.

[Ron5]

Very interesting indeed, especially Harpoon. Have always thought the biggest weakness in our design was the absence of allocated space for canister launched missiles, need not be Harpoon but NSM would be nice . When I looked at the final (?) CGI of our design the space behind the funnel seemed like the only place they could go and Absolom has them in a similar position but I wondered if it would make her too top heavy, apparently not.

Also the additional Mk 48 silo's makes perfect sense and I dont know why we didnt go that route, could still quad pack CAAM, in fact why not two, for a total of 48, there would appear to be space? Could still carry 32 CAAM forward, and leave 40 Silos for everything else, keep the light weight launchers for the amidships fit.

Because they will be reusing CAMM cells from T23's i.e. free/cheap vs expensive. Mk41's would require an ExLS insert, overkill.

[ArmChairCivvy]

Where do you see 3 SeaRam?

I was looking at the shapes of the radar cones in a 200% view; the two smallest looked like fire control radars as opposed to the rounder radomes
- if that is the case, the third one would symmetrically, "mid-ship" on the other side. More magnification might help (could not spot even one launcher at the 200% level)

[Zealot]

The Australian proposal is also looking pretty good.

Note that it also appears to have 32 MK41 Cells along with Harpoon fitted behind the Funnel.

GCS_A_0485.jpg

[Ron5]

Where do you see 3 SeaRam?

I was looking at the shapes of the radar cones in a 200% view; the two smallest looked like fire control radars as opposed to the rounder radomes
- if that is the case, the third one would symmetrically, "mid-ship" on the other side. More magnification might help (could not spot even one launcher at the 200% level)

Thanks, I see what you mean but I would have thought 2 more likely.

[Aethulwulf]

It looks like that version has also dropped the second doors on the side of the ship? All the British renders have the davits and mission bay doors as separate.

One door starboard because of diesel up/down drafts, 2 doors port.

Which is shown nicely in these two recent renditions of the UK Type 26...

[Ron5]

A picture tells a thousand words

[abc123]

The Australian proposal is also looking pretty good.

Note that it also appears to have 32 MK41 Cells along with Harpoon fitted behind the Funnel.

GCS_A_0485.jpg

Yep, that looks like a ship worthy of 1,5-2 billions of dollars.

[whitelancer]

What are the Canadians and Australians going to put in their MK41s?
For that matter what are we going to use them for?

[donald_of_tokyo]

It looks like that version has also dropped the second doors on the side of the ship? All the British renders have the davits and mission bay doors as separate.

One door starboard because of diesel up/down drafts, 2 doors port.

Which is shown nicely in these two recent renditions of the UK Type 26...

Starboard RHIBs are not carried? Or, by default, carried in the mission bay? Or, 2 RHIBs in port side?

[seaspear]

The Australian proposal is also looking pretty good.

Note that it also appears to have 32 MK41 Cells along with Harpoon fitted behind the Funnel.

GCS_A_0485.jpg

The picture shown of the proposed type 26 for the R.A.N is very different on the sensor array mast originally shown ,are you able to confirm this is a new upgrade/design

[ArmChairCivvy]

I am not very good at trying to read from the CGIs what is what on the ships (sometimes in the CAD library they might use something that is the closest available image?) but it is noteworthy that The Australian wrote in March
"Mr Pyne will soon travel to Canada to encourage the Canadians to buy Australia’s revolutionary CEA phased array radar system for their new warships. “CEA radar is one of our great success stories." [”]
which said radar was a given for all proposals entering in the Ozzie competition.

As such the radar can be used in connection with the Aegis or Saab CMSs (as the Ozzies already do).

Where it gets interesting is that the newer version of Saab's (the 9LV) is already on the refurbed Canadian frigates - it was, in fact, the first installation.
- would the Canadians want to standardise the CMS across their classes? (No need to send the crew "back to school" when they swap between vessels)
- and, if so, take a pair (a radar to go with it) where the integration has been done (or almost done, impact of versions is not in the public domain... as of yet, at least)