Section Infantry Weapons

Little J · Post by **Little J** » 09 Sep 2016, 11:00

I wonder if this includes the weight reduction parts under development (titanium guide rods, etc.).

Also, it looks like you have to remove the new handguard for cleaning.

Little surprised to see Keymod on there too.

YouTube · Post by **The Armchair Soldier** » 09 Sep 2016, 11:34

Some high resolution images I found:

arfah · Post by **arfah** » 09 Sep 2016, 11:53

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Wrekin762 · Post by **Wrekin762** » 10 Sep 2016, 21:23

arfah wrote:Are their any improvements to the working parts, TMH or barrel ?

Well it looks like there's a completely new gas block at least

Seems to be similar to the L22A2s gas block or even HK416, but different

marktigger · Post by **marktigger** » 10 Sep 2016, 21:28

lets just get rid and get an M4 clone like the HK417 in a decent calibre

ArmChairCivvy · Post by **ArmChairCivvy** » 10 Sep 2016, 21:59

There
https://www.all4shooters.com/en/Shootin ... DSEi-2013/
we go! Why have a competition?
- and now is the time as the HKs under a preusodonym in the BA are "all" shot (out)

Little J · Post by **Little J** » 11 Sep 2016, 00:03

Wrekin762 wrote:
arfah wrote:Are their any improvements to the working parts, TMH or barrel ?
Well it looks like there's a completely new gas block at least

Seems to be similar to the L22A2s gas block or even HK416, but different

What's on the bottom of the gas block? Could it be an HK416 / m320 style locking pin slot. Maybe the L17's will be getting updated for quick detach as well?

And if that is a load of cobblers why leave it exposed?

arfah · Post by **arfah** » 11 Sep 2016, 00:34

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Wrekin762 · Post by **Wrekin762** » 11 Sep 2016, 10:33

Little J wrote: What's on the bottom of the gas block? Could it be an HK416 / m320 style locking pin slot. Maybe the L17's will be getting updated for quick detach as well?

And if that is a load of cobblers why leave it exposed?

The Combat and Survival article shows the socket it is indeed for the UGL detent pin.

Does seem L123A3 AG-SA80 would be replaced by the rail-mounted version of the HK GLM.

Looks similar to the short barrelled version that the yanks use as M320 and other nations are using with the latest HK416 models, rather than the long-barrelled AG-C issued for the UK's L119. But I think the one pictured is the HK269 version that can be loaded from the left side or the right side.

ArmChairCivvy · Post by **ArmChairCivvy** » 11 Sep 2016, 11:19

How is a guy wearing a gas mask going to look through those sights?

Little J · Post by **Little J** » 11 Sep 2016, 11:25

ArmChairCivvy wrote:How is a guy wearing a gas mask going to look through those sights?

Little J · Post by **Little J** » 11 Sep 2016, 11:36

Wrekin762 wrote:
Little J wrote: What's on the bottom of the gas block? Could it be an HK416 / m320 style locking pin slot. Maybe the L17's will be getting updated for quick detach as well?

And if that is a load of cobblers why leave it exposed?
The Combat and Survival article shows the socket it is indeed for the UGL detent pin.

Does seem L123A3 AG-SA80 would be replaced by the rail-mounted version of the HK GLM.

Looks similar to the short barrelled version that the yanks use as M320 and other nations are using with the latest HK416 models, rather than the long-barrelled AG-C issued for the UK's L119. But I think the one pictured is the HK269 version that can be loaded from the left side or the right side.

Missed that photo when I first read the article...

Wrekin762 · Post by **Wrekin762** » 11 Sep 2016, 12:10

I am curious how one accesses the gas tube and piston rod for stripping and cleaning, now that there's no folding cover on the handguard

mr.fred · Post by **mr.fred** » 11 Sep 2016, 12:43

ArmChairCivvy wrote:How is a guy wearing a gas mask going to look through those sights?

How did he do it before?
How does the more recent gas mask affect things?

arfah · Post by **arfah** » 11 Sep 2016, 13:22

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arfah · Post by **arfah** » 11 Sep 2016, 13:24

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marktigger · Post by **marktigger** » 11 Sep 2016, 13:26

you can't make a slik purse out of a sows ear. Rings true for both SA80 and 5.56mm time to draw a line and move on

Wrekin762 · Post by **Wrekin762** » 11 Sep 2016, 14:21

arfah wrote:
Wrekin762 wrote:I am curious how one accesses the gas tube and piston rod for stripping and cleaning, now that there's no folding cover on the handguard
Yeah, me too,

Starting to think you unscrew the entire handguard with the new hex nut located on the body.

Again the 416 seems to be where inspiration was drawn ~4:00 minutes in

arfah · Post by **arfah** » 11 Sep 2016, 14:28

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marktigger · Post by **marktigger** » 11 Sep 2016, 14:36

arfah wrote:
You're like a stuck needle on a record.

We get it!

Yeap always been consistent about the heap of shit. Hated it from moment i picked one up till handing my last one back in to the armoury.

mr.fred · Post by **mr.fred** » 11 Sep 2016, 14:52

marktigger wrote:Yeap always been consistent about the heap of shit. Hated it from moment i picked one up till handing my last one back in to the armoury.

So you found it easy to make an objective assessment?

marktigger · Post by **marktigger** » 11 Sep 2016, 15:02

mr.fred wrote:
marktigger wrote:Yeap always been consistent about the heap of shit. Hated it from moment i picked one up till handing my last one back in to the armoury.
So you found it easy to make an objective assessment?

would say i was fairly objective about it till I actually got hold of one did the conversion and carried it. Interesting how big an export success it was! Thats a bigger indicator of how good a weapon is than the hype put out to try and instill confidence. As they say you design a better mouse trap the world will beat a path to your door.
M16, C7,HK33,Galil,FNC, Steyr Aug and FAMAS all sold better and the UK were trying to sell them.

mr.fred · Post by **mr.fred** » 11 Sep 2016, 18:01

marktigger wrote: Interesting how big an export success it was! Thats a bigger indicator of how good a weapon is than the hype put out to try and instill confidence. As they say you design a better mouse trap the world will beat a path to your door.

Not really. Export success is more dependent on cost, political favour and availability than it is on quality of the weapon.
On top of that, the A1 version was built in fairly small quantities for the British Army then they shut the factory, so outside of a small window when they were quite expensive you could't buy one anyway. The A2 was modified from the A1 so if you wanted that you'd need the A1s, which no-one had. So you could have a situation where the A1 was rubbish, the A2 was superlative and no-one could buy it, so export sales as a metric are not infallible.

ArmChairCivvy · Post by **ArmChairCivvy** » 11 Sep 2016, 18:31

arfah wrote:Practice !

I don't think you can beat the laws of physics, in this case simple inches and angles, to get a view through the optics. You may want to look up some images from various SFs (who actually train with the masks on) and they have elevated the sights

mr.fred wrote:the A2 was superlative and no-one could buy it, so export sales as a metric are not infallible.

Looks like we are v good at business (and then we sold the manufacturer on, for a pittance).

mr.fred · Post by **mr.fred** » 11 Sep 2016, 19:52

ArmChairCivvy wrote:I don't think you can beat the laws of physics, in this case simple inches and angles, to get a view through the optics. You may want to look up some images from various SFs (who actually train with the masks on) and they have elevated the sights

Was the SUSAT or the ACOG that much higher up then?
In any case, the LDS has a red-dot on top of it which looks like it would be compatible with gas masks if the main optic is not.

ArmChairCivvy wrote:Looks like we are v good at business (and then we sold the manufacturer on, for a pittance).

No surprises, is it? The A1 being bad could be levelled at business acumen as well.

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