River Class (OPV) (RN)

[Repulse]

The role of the Rivers remain the same, but the overall threat level has gone up a notch. Not significantly so to require a Frigate or similar, just that non state actors now have access to technology that impacts constabulary operations, such as UAVs.

[Pte. James Frazer]

The role of the Rivers remain the same, but the overall threat level has gone up a notch. Not significantly so to require a Frigate or similar, just that non state actors now have access to technology that impacts constabulary operations, such as UAVs.

Agreed.

To me they need fused air burst ammo. I'd prefer a main armament of 57mm [with 3P] for increased engagement range and reaction time/future proofing and better surface/USV engagement over 40mm. [Cue debate over whether 57mm deck-penetrating w/hoist or non deck-penetrating (like 40mm) would be preferable and cost/crew implications].

Don't see the point in having Rapid Ranger w/Starstreak/LMM as the effective range of 57mm is ~ equivalent @ ~ 8km (although preferable with 40mm). 57mm has quoted maximum ballistic range of 17km.

I thought stabilised mounts for crew-served 12.7mm was to be a fleet wide upgrade?

Generally, I'd like to see Peregrine carried, as Tempest414 says, to provide better OTH situational awareness.

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[Tempest414]

I suspect it is also pretty cheap compared to the Bofors.
I've all around the clock with the rivers, from "arm them to the teeth", to my current "a few modest upgrades is enough".
So, for me, upgrade the Bushmaster to 40mm & replace the crew-served 50 cals with stabilised mounts would be my limit. Basically "the same, but better".

Not unreasonable.

Of course the yet to be answered question is why upgrade at all, and if so why so much attention given by some to kinetic armament to the detriment of other facets of capability (Comms, sensors, reliability, ECM etc, etc)? The starting point surely needs to be the B2's role and likely missions, before moving onto what capabilities they need (including of course defining what threats they might credibly face).

As said the role of the B2's is the same i.e global patrol duties this means they can and will meet grey zone actors and well funded gang's conducting illegal actions. Both groups have the funds and the means to lay there hands on cheap attack drones and state backed actors can even get 1st gen ASM's and unguided SRBM's as seen in the red sea

All this means that the threat level has jumped a bar and in turn now means the B2's need a base level anti air capability but they also need better UAV's like Peregrine with its I Master radar for OTH search and track

The first thing I would added would be the Peregrine UAV system next would be the 40mm Mk4 and then maybe 2 x RWS's fitted with a GAU-19 12.7mm and 2 x LMM. The 12.7mm has a max range of 6 km's and effective range of 2 kms

[new guy]

[donald_of_tokyo]

Not exactly. The twitter feed says, she is moving by her own power (good) to a dry dock (for repair, not good).

[donald_of_tokyo]

Hope the problem is to be rectified soon.

https://x.com/NavyLookout/status/1799813105817673901

[Repulse]

[Repulse]

[Ian Hall]

[Repulse]

BZ HMS Spey

[Repulse]

Hope the problem is to be rectified soon.

[Ian Hall]

[Ian Hall]

[Ron5]

Lovely photo ..

[Ian Hall]

https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/hms-tam ... et-review/

[donald_of_tokyo]

Report from HMS Forth. Beautiful...
I guess photo like these will promote more young men/women to sea?

https://x.com/HMS_Forth/status/1813543938487427566

[wargame_insomniac]

Tamar visited Tuvalu and now helping Nauru in fiahery protection.

No mention of cocktail parties....

https://x.com/ukinfiji/status/1815952209307394467

[Ron5]

Goes without saying

[wargame_insomniac]

https://x.com/NavyLookout/status/1818545038176968859

Tamar first visit to Nauru.

[wargame_insomniac]

https://x.com/hms_tamar/status/1818511434701001165

[Repulse]

https://x.com/hms_tamar/status/1818511434701001165

One major benefit to our size means that we can gain access to a huge array of otherwise hard to reach location

Who would have thought there’s a benefit of being small

[new guy]

For the arguments about upgrading the RB2's to 40mm

[Pte. James Frazer]

For the arguments about upgrading the RB2's to 40mm

The image of the Bofors you've shown is the deck penetrating version.

There's also a non-deck penetrating version..


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[new guy]

The image of the Bofors you've shown is the deck penetrating version.

There's also a non-deck penetrating version..


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Naturally, a good point.

Yet now you have lead me to think, if current magazine is in correct position and of suitable size, then it could be beneficial to be deck penetrating as direct access to ammunition.

[Pte. James Frazer]

The image of the Bofors you've shown is the deck penetrating version.

There's also a non-deck penetrating version..


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Naturally, a good point.

Yet now you have lead me to think, if current magazine is in correct position and of suitable size, then it could be beneficial to be deck penetrating as direct access to ammunition.

Bofors also does a non-deck penetrating version of the 57mm, which would give a far superior effective range and negate any need for LMM.

The Thais have put Leonardo's 76mm there (also available as non-deck penetrating) gun.

The magazine space is correctly positioned for the deck penetrating versions of whichever gun is chosen, should the maintenance tradeoff be deemed worthwhile.

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