Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

[topman]

Sometimes it takes time to get all the information to make a decision, that doesn't always align with deployment dates as much as we would like it to.

With the costs at stake with the carriers it should.

Should, well I should win the lottery this week. But probably won't.

So was it foreseen or unforeseen issue with QNLZ? The story appears to be not a unknown failure like POW but a normal maintenance issue found under routine inspection but it took a month to work out that it meant that the ship wasn't fit to sail. Do Maearsk or Carnival cruises work like that? It isn't good enough and that is no slight on those on the coalface rather those senior officer\civil servants responsible for the processes\decisions.

I'm sure there's plenty of civilian companies that have to change plans quickly.

I'm prepared to give them the benefit of doubt. Others, such as yourself, view it differently.

[topman]

No - and likewise it wouldn't be better if only people who HAD served/worked for the MoD were on here.

On group has experience of how things really work and the other is not caught "in the silo"

I agree we need all groups but what we need is those who are serving now to feed in more of the day to day problems in a clear and helpful way rather than rather than making narky commits. I understand it is hard sometimes when they think people don't want to hear about the hard work and facts they face right now

Interesting, about what specifically do you think would be helpful ? In terms of day to day.

[Tempest414]

No - and likewise it wouldn't be better if only people who HAD served/worked for the MoD were on here.

On group has experience of how things really work and the other is not caught "in the silo"

I agree we need all groups but what we need is those who are serving now to feed in more of the day to day problems in a clear and helpful way rather than rather than making narky commits. I understand it is hard sometimes when they think people don't want to hear about the hard work and facts they face right now

Interesting, about what specifically do you think would be helpful ? In terms of day to day.

So to keep on track people talk about how many F-35 should be deployed to the carrier but those in the know might say that can't happen due to say lack of X or Y or that it will impact badly on working up the F-35 force as a whole. Maybe people who joined the RAF don't want to be posted to the F-35 force as they didn't join the RAF to go to sea for months on end

I know from my time the effect Afgan had on both the Tonker and Apache forces the constant training and det cycle on small forces and their families made worse for the Tonker units by the ongoing need to feed Akrotiri dets as well. It took the Apache Sqn's some time to adjust after as they found they had lost some of skills needed to fight in the forests of Europe

After a bit of pushing Jimthelad gave a great post on the real terms use of anti tank weapons

[tomuk]

Sometimes it takes time to get all the information to make a decision, that doesn't always align with deployment dates as much as we would like it to.

With the costs at stake with the carriers it should.

Should, well I should win the lottery this week. But probably won't.

So was it foreseen or unforeseen issue with QNLZ? The story appears to be not a unknown failure like POW but a normal maintenance issue found under routine inspection but it took a month to work out that it meant that the ship wasn't fit to sail. Do Maearsk or Carnival cruises work like that? It isn't good enough and that is no slight on those on the coalface rather those senior officer\civil servants responsible for the processes\decisions.

I'm sure there's plenty of civilian companies that have to change plans quickly.

I'm prepared to give them the benefit of doubt. Others, such as yourself, view it differently.

Give who the benefit of the doubt? And after the issues with POW?

[bobp]

They managed to load 8.....

[SW1]

They managed to load 8.....

The typical squadron deployment of fastjets.

[Jdam]

Interesting video, while 1 F-35 is landing the follow up F-35 is already hovering next to the deck waiting for to land.

Note how they chose to show the F-35s with ASRAAM in the video where as the ones already on deck didn't have them.

[whitelancer]

Interesting video, while 1 F-35 is landing the follow up F-35 is already hovering next to the deck waiting for to land.

Exactly the way Harrier used to do it.

One of the advantages of STOVL operations from carriers is the simplicity and speed of launch and recovery.

[SKB]

Eight fixed-wing aircraft on a 65,000+ tonne and 284m long "supercarrier" is still embarrassing, even if it is "just" an exercise. Surely we have more than eight qualified pilots in the services?

[downsizer]

Eight fixed-wing aircraft on a 65,000+ tonne and 284m long "supercarrier" is still embarrassing, even if it is "just" an exercise. Surely we have more than eight qualified pilots in the services?

You do realise there are more than 8 pilots on the carrier currently?

[serge750]

First proper fixed wing flight ops - no point running before you can walk, how many did QE start with? next years promises to be a huge jump 24 !!! so not to lng to wait.....

[tomuk]

First proper fixed wing flight ops - no point running before you can walk, how many did QE start with? next years promises to be a huge jump 24 !!! so not to lng to wait.....

Will next year still be happening now hours are being run up on POW which weren't planned?

[Scimitar54]

Well, she had a 9 month rest during 2022-2023, so she should have more than ample hours “in reserve”.

[bobp]

Refuelling at sea...

[abc123]

Hope the helo taking the picture is armed because the 2 ships ain't

[Scimitar54]

There are only 6 x F35 on deck (possibility that 2 x F35 are in the air)?

[new guy]

There are only 6 x F35 on deck (possibility that 2 x F35 are in the air)?

You know on the QEC there is a thing called a hanger, you know, the place where the 8 merlin are?

[Scimitar54]

There is no such thing as a Hanger on an Aircraft Carrier; or a Destroyer, Frigate, RFA Supply ship/Tanker either. What they all do have are HANGARS! Yes, the F35 and other Helicopters might well be in the hangar, or they may not. All I did was to offer a (rather tounge-in-cheek) suggestion as to where they might be, in response to Ron5’s quizzical post.

The same (HANGAR) principle applies to Mk41 silos; Are they occupied or not and if occupied, what with? A lot for a potential aggressor to consider.

BTW - Do you also try to teach your grandmother how to suck eggs? Or are you just so arrogant as to feel it necessary to belittle other posters on here. Now you might know what it feels like! We were here a long time before you were?

[tomuk]

There is no such thing as a Hanger on an Aircraft Carrier; or a Destroyer, Frigate, RFA Supply ship/Tanker either. What they all do have are HANGARS! Yes, the F35 and other Helicopters might well be in the hangar, or they may not. All I did was to offer a (rather tounge-in-cheek) suggestion as to where they might be, in response to Ron5’s quizzical post.

The same (HANGAR) principle applies to Mk41 silos; Are they occupied or not and if occupied, what with? A lot for a potential aggressor to consider.

BTW - Do you also try to teach your grandmother how to suck eggs? Or are you just so arrogant as to feel it necessary to belittle other posters on here. Now you might know what it feels like! We were here a long time before you were?

Of course there are hangers on aircraft carriers and other vessels how else do they stop their coats from falling on the floor?

[Scimitar54]

Don’t have Floors either, they have DECKS!

[bobp]

A few more pictures from PWLS..

[downsizer]

There is no such thing as a Hanger on an Aircraft Carrier; or a Destroyer, Frigate, RFA Supply ship/Tanker either. What they all do have are HANGARS! Yes, the F35 and other Helicopters might well be in the hangar, or they may not. All I did was to offer a (rather tounge-in-cheek) suggestion as to where they might be, in response to Ron5’s quizzical post.

The same (HANGAR) principle applies to Mk41 silos; Are they occupied or not and if occupied, what with? A lot for a potential aggressor to consider.

BTW - Do you also try to teach your grandmother how to suck eggs? Or are you just so arrogant as to feel it necessary to belittle other posters on here. Now you might know what it feels like! We were here a long time before you were?

Calm down Karen! Someones tired....

[tomuk]

Don’t have Floors either, they have DECKS!

What they play a lot of cards on board too? It is Poker or possibly Bridge?

[Scimitar54]

O you are a Card!

Possibly “Pontoon” when coming alongside, “Patience” when a shaft coupling fails or even “Snap” when a Tow-line parts?

[Turnturtle]

Rather concerning that neither TIDESURGE nor PWLS have Phalanx or any other form of self-protection.....so if something unexpected occurs (history shows that it often does) they are completely undefended against any 'leakers' that might get past the escorts.