Spitfire9 wrote: ↑17 Sep 2023, 21:22
mrclark303 wrote: ↑17 Sep 2023, 19:51
I think of we can bring in Saudi Arabia and they inject another 5 billion, we will have enough to launch.
I think 40 billion is a realistic programme cost
15 billion each Japan and the UK
5 billion each Italy and Saudi Arabia.
The UK is going to have to dig very deep to find 15 billion, no doubt about it......
Any chance of the various MOD's and OEM's improving their performance to pare down costs while getting the same result? I know it's a heretical thing to ask but if there are 10%-20% efficiencies there to be had it seems a shame to cancel because the projected programme cost is 10%-20% more than governments are prepared to pay.
Over in the Typhoon thread someone drew attention to a BAE Systems release:
The Eurofighter Typhoon is one of the most successful UK defence programmes, bringing export sales worth double the £12 billion invested by the UK Government, with the potential for more to come.
I think that export revenues could have been much higher if the project had been better managed internationally (eg Germany not holding things up as it did, absurd wastes of money, the RAF 'no cannon needed' fiasco, reported to have cost £50 million, the multiple varieties and cost duplication of AESA et al.) If the project had been better managed by all concerned it might have cost a lot less to UK govt to equip the RAF with a very good fighter. and achieved much higher export sales. Unfortunately the market for Tempest and FCAS will be very restricted in comparison but nevertheless UK govt would get more back if it were developed and produced on a cost-competitive basis. If it is not FCAS will get some of the orders that GCAP would otherwise have got.
Reducing costs is always the aim. Let's take the key factors into account here though.
Latest thoughts seem to indicate that GCAP will be a 'very large' fighter, bigger than F22 in fact!
New low observable 3D printed structure airframe technology
New variable cycle engine tech
New avionics tech, encompassing the very latest cutting edge British and Japanese technology, radar arrays (and other sensors) distributed around the airframe.
New Weapon systems, including direct energy systems in time.
It's one hell of a tall order....
This is unashamedly being aimed at a total kick the door down solution, an absolutely first tier air dominance platform, with deep strike capability, all complete within 10 years.
That's a massive, daunting and extremely expensive undertaking no matter how you cut the cards, I personally think we will be lucky to keep within 40 billion.....
Any delays, for any reason and costs will start to spin out of control....