Foxhound Protected Vehicle

[SD67]

Does anyone know why we didn't order bushmaster 15 years ago when we ordered the UOR vehicles? It was available at the time, or where they not able to meet the production numbers required in such a short space of time?
I'm all for ordering Australian but the vehicle is over 20 years old now, would griffon not be a better option even if it is French

Because it was more expensive than the US military vehicles that were being made in huge numbers.

And it didn't have front doors...

Doors were an option back then – see the Bushmaster 'Ute' variant of the time. And whether that and price were ever truly a big issue, it didn't bother your SF people too much.

IDK, I feel that the fact that you ended up with Foxhound, Husky, Mastiff, Wolfhound, Ridgeback, Panther, Pinzgauer as well as Bushmaster – not to mention Bronco – kinda tells me that there was not much of a plan (more of a scramble really), and you might be over estimating the brilliance of any contracting decisions they made in that period. And not making a decision to replace the Snatch Land Rover earlier was a contracting decision as well – made by the same people, more or less.

Nope. Not your finest people. Australia shipped off 25 of our own (new) vehicles to the Dutch to fulfil their urgent requirements (they asked in July 2006 and had them by August). What do you think we might have done for our oldest ally? Don't know – because you never asked.

Totally agree and I think that whole UOR era was a massive own goal, no one else was buying 6 or 7 different platforms to meet urgent requirements and the army is still paying for it. Did Panther even make it to Iraq?

[SD67]

the problem I see already with Future Soldier, is that the Top Brass is looking too far in the future and is neglecting the present and near future. This is probably down to funding issues and future tech is always sexier than belt and braces requirements, especially when it comes to ticking boxes for career progression. Taking the Army off line as a combat force for at least ten years is a big gamble by the MoD and Government, and I am sure other nations have taken note. Having a few forward deployed units that are really still only capable of COIN and Peace Keeping Operations will not fool anyone except the media and many voters. We had better be very good at playing poker.

Trying to find method in the madness here - if there's "the big one" in the next decade, what kind of contribution was the army ever going to make? Trying to get it to the action would likely be more trouble than it's worth. Apart from Air Assault plus Marines embedded with Carrier Strike

But the reality is we're in a kind of pre-conflict phase, where defence engagement becomes super important. The CCP are buying up strategic resources all over Africa. The Ranger Regiment and SFAB have an important job helping to keep some old friends in "our" camp while at the same time having eyes and ears on the ground. Right now that's arguably more important than another 50-60 CR3s.

[RunningStrong]

Totally agree and I think that whole UOR era was a massive own goal, no one else was buying 6 or 7 different platforms to meet urgent requirements and the army is still paying for it. Did Panther even make it to Iraq?

The US had plenty of variants... And it's all relative to the scale of the force deployed. Canada had several variations on armoured wheeled platforms.


https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/canada-s ... n-1.850849

[SW1]

[leonard]

I don't know if this is correct thread for this news but luck who is joining the fight in the frontlines of the East of Ukraine. If this is not a testament of a well thought and made vehicle

[bobp]

News from DSEi regarding Foxhound

[Ian Hall]

[Jackstar]

General Dynamics UK is discussing with the British Army a possible further order for an updated version of its Foxhound protected patrol vehicle, the company has said.

An Mk 2 version of the ride, which could include a variant with a hybrid electric drive, is likely to be offered to the British Army for a requirement known as the land mobility pipeline.
https://www.defensenews.com/global/euro ... rmy-needs/

[BB85]

I wonder if the MK2 variant will make less use of composite materials to bring down the unit price that killed off any export hopes for the original version.
Apart from the price I always thought it was a solid design for the miv role that could easily be stretched into a 6x6 variant of required. It likely had better mine protection than its competitors.

[SD67]

Sounds to me like a bit of a potential maintenance hog with all that tech in there. And why go for a monoblock engine with the related risk of cooling problems. Trusty Cummins B series is made in the UK and already in service

[Jake1992]

I wonder if the MK2 variant will make less use of composite materials to bring down the unit price that killed off any export hopes for the original version.
Apart from the price I always thought it was a solid design for the miv role that could easily be stretched into a 6x6 variant of required. It likely had better mine protection than its competitors.

IMO what really killed exports was the small order from us along with the flip flopping on whether it would be kept over the long term. If the UK had order 2000 plus in different variants like the plans were for JLTV this not only would have brought down unit cost but also have other nations confidence of further development and part lines.

I have often said on here that Foxhound should be chosen to replace all the light armed fleet, if I remember right they already have a logistic, RWMIK, ambulance and 6x6 variant up to demonstrator trails.

The modular design makes Foxhound the light armoured version of Boxer making future development much easier.

[sol]

Could Foxhound, with crew of 2+4, even satisfies MRV-P requirements?



I know that there is a concept of 6x6 version which should be able to carry 6 dismounts, but I don't think that single prototype is made.

[SD67]

IMHO Foxhound, Jackal and MRVP should all have been the same platform, right now it would be in service in a dozen countries around the world. If someone had a bit of strategic foresight, to break down the silos and pull everyone together to compromise a little on a common set of requirements. Instead in time we've gone down the cottage industry / multiple specialist platform route which is always a long term loser. Foxhound - too expensive and fiddly.

[SW1]

[sol]

[Jackstar]

"As our Army convoy of 7.5-tonne Foxhound armoured vehicles thunders through villages in the picturesque surroundings of Rutland, overtaking cyclists feels like the biggest hazard.

But in a few weeks, this vehicle rollout will be replicated in Poland as part of Nato’s biggest military drills since the Cold War in preparation for a potential conflict with Russia on the alliance’s eastern flank"
https://inews.co.uk/news/british-army-d ... nd-2876838

[Jackstar]

UK MoD awards contract to demonstrate electric-drive Foxhound and Jackal Vehicles.

https://thebusinessmagazine.co.uk/manuf ... -vehicles/

[jedibeeftrix]

why do i feel like this will be another 'exciting' development that will lead to nothing, fading quietly into the night, with nothing procured?

[Ron5]

Seeing GDLS UK in the mix doesn't exactly inspire confidence.

[RunningStrong]

UK MoD awards contract to demonstrate electric-drive Foxhound and Jackal Vehicles.

https://thebusinessmagazine.co.uk/manuf ... -vehicles/

Is that not a 4 year old article?? It's floated to the top for some reason, but Carew Wilks is long gone.

https://supacat.com/newsevents/news/uk- ... -vehicles/

https://generaldynamics.uk.com/land-sys ... -foxhound/


And then there was the demo 3 years ago.

https://www.army.mod.uk/news-and-events ... r-forward/

[RunningStrong]

why do i feel like this will be another 'exciting' development that will lead to nothing, fading quietly into the night, with nothing procured?

That's pretty much the current state. I think there's a lot of value in Series hybrid drives with good battery storage, but so far we've seen little fielding.

[bobp]

Foxhound command vehicle...

[Tempest414]

The big thing here is are these old or new vehicles

[Pte. James Frazer]

Are these intended to replace Panther as part of fleet rationalisation programme?

Certainly better protection levels

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