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A lot of highlights in that article. :wtf:
Cutting of the metal for the fuselages of the first E-7s has begun at Spirit AeroSystems in Wichita
An STS Aviation facility in Birmingham, England, where the RAF E-7s are taking shape, has additional capacity. That facility could be key for changes to Boeing’s E-7 plans—the company recently responded to a request for information for NATO to replace its E-3s
The U.S. versions will be based largely on the UK’s, with adjustments planned for satellite communication, military-code GPS, cybersecurity and program protection requirements.
As another step to keep the program’s cost low and schedule on time, the service intentionally kept its requirements low and similar to the UK’s, with upgrades to come later
Answer a lot of questions about the USAF purchase.

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USAF unlikely to speed E-7 delivery
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Any update on ours? last we seen them they were getting moved about in the hanger back in December.

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Oh what a surprise:



The lies told by the MoD, in order to single source from their favourite US Defence Contractor / provider of cushty advisory and board positions seem to have finally come back to bite us on the posterior.

Not that anyone will be held responsible for this cronyism and corruption.
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Since we have not seen anything since December, it was clear something had went wrong.

We really have mastered the art of the capability gap :cry:
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Jensy wrote: 07 Nov 2023, 16:57 Oh what a surprise:



The lies told by the MoD, in order to single source from their favourite US Defence Contractor / provider of cushty advisory and board positions seem to have finally come back to bite us on the posterior.

Not that anyone will be held responsible for this cronyism and corruption.
What agreed timeframe? I didn't think we had even agreed the business case yet.
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tomuk wrote: 08 Nov 2023, 02:08
Jensy wrote: 07 Nov 2023, 16:57 Oh what a surprise:



The lies told by the MoD, in order to single source from their favourite US Defence Contractor / provider of cushty advisory and board positions seem to have finally come back to bite us on the posterior.

Not that anyone will be held responsible for this cronyism and corruption.
What agreed timeframe? I didn't think we had even agreed the business case yet.
So what exactly is causing the delay, considering it's a thoroughly well known and understood system and airframe combination, there certainly shouldn't be any unknown issues??

Or has the MOD done it's usual and demanded changes and alterations from the base spec??

The point of procuring a known and in service system, is to stop delays and unexpected additional expenses.

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mrclark303 wrote: 08 Nov 2023, 12:54
tomuk wrote: 08 Nov 2023, 02:08
Jensy wrote: 07 Nov 2023, 16:57 Oh what a surprise:



The lies told by the MoD, in order to single source from their favourite US Defence Contractor / provider of cushty advisory and board positions seem to have finally come back to bite us on the posterior.

Not that anyone will be held responsible for this cronyism and corruption.
What agreed timeframe? I didn't think we had even agreed the business case yet.
So what exactly is causing the delay, considering it's a thoroughly well known and understood system and airframe combination, there certainly shouldn't be any unknown issues??

Or has the MOD done it's usual and demanded changes and alterations from the base spec??

The point of procuring a known and in service system, is to stop delays and unexpected additional expenses.
Is it thoroughly well know? Both of the far more experienced aircraft conversion specialists in the U.K. walked away because they were way underestimating what was involved.

Add to that most Boeing a/c program over the past 4 years has been suspended from delivery for at least 18 months due to incompetence in engineering and manufacturing practices which has lead to increased scrutiny on all supplementary type certification of their a/c.

Also pandemic supply chain issues that persist.
It was neither a known system or in production, issues arise no matter what yarns were spun to get it on contract in the beginning.

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SW1 wrote: 08 Nov 2023, 13:18
mrclark303 wrote: 08 Nov 2023, 12:54
tomuk wrote: 08 Nov 2023, 02:08
Jensy wrote: 07 Nov 2023, 16:57 Oh what a surprise:



The lies told by the MoD, in order to single source from their favourite US Defence Contractor / provider of cushty advisory and board positions seem to have finally come back to bite us on the posterior.

Not that anyone will be held responsible for this cronyism and corruption.
What agreed timeframe? I didn't think we had even agreed the business case yet.
So what exactly is causing the delay, considering it's a thoroughly well known and understood system and airframe combination, there certainly shouldn't be any unknown issues??

Or has the MOD done it's usual and demanded changes and alterations from the base spec??

The point of procuring a known and in service system, is to stop delays and unexpected additional expenses.
Is it thoroughly well know? Both of the far more experienced aircraft conversion specialists in the U.K. walked away because they were way underestimating what was involved.

Add to that most Boeing a/c program over the past 4 years has been suspended from delivery for at least 18 months due to incompetence in engineering and manufacturing practices which has lead to increased scrutiny on all supplementary type certification of their a/c.

Also pandemic supply chain issues that persist.
It was neither a known system or in production, issues arise no matter what yarns were spun to get it on contract in the beginning.
Well it's it's produced and in full service with Australia, in service and in production with South Korea and Turkey....

So what would be the unknown, in service with three countries SW1, what am I missing here??

Has the MOD specified a UK only modification ( something unique and exquisitely expensive) as per usual??

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mrclark303 wrote: 08 Nov 2023, 14:23
SW1 wrote: 08 Nov 2023, 13:18
mrclark303 wrote: 08 Nov 2023, 12:54
tomuk wrote: 08 Nov 2023, 02:08
Jensy wrote: 07 Nov 2023, 16:57 Oh what a surprise:



The lies told by the MoD, in order to single source from their favourite US Defence Contractor / provider of cushty advisory and board positions seem to have finally come back to bite us on the posterior.

Not that anyone will be held responsible for this cronyism and corruption.
What agreed timeframe? I didn't think we had even agreed the business case yet.
So what exactly is causing the delay, considering it's a thoroughly well known and understood system and airframe combination, there certainly shouldn't be any unknown issues??

Or has the MOD done it's usual and demanded changes and alterations from the base spec??

The point of procuring a known and in service system, is to stop delays and unexpected additional expenses.
Is it thoroughly well know? Both of the far more experienced aircraft conversion specialists in the U.K. walked away because they were way underestimating what was involved.

Add to that most Boeing a/c program over the past 4 years has been suspended from delivery for at least 18 months due to incompetence in engineering and manufacturing practices which has lead to increased scrutiny on all supplementary type certification of their a/c.

Also pandemic supply chain issues that persist.
It was neither a known system or in production, issues arise no matter what yarns were spun to get it on contract in the beginning.
Well it's it's produced and in full service with Australia, in service and in production with South Korea and Turkey....

So what would be the unknown, in service with three countries SW1, what am I missing here??

Has the MOD specified a UK only modification ( something unique and exquisitely expensive) as per usual??
The fact it was once produced 15 years ago does not make it in production. I supposed you could have asked for exactly the same radar and exactly the same a/c that was produced 15 years ago but as they don’t exist you might have been waiting a while.
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SW1 wrote: 08 Nov 2023, 14:38
mrclark303 wrote: 08 Nov 2023, 14:23
SW1 wrote: 08 Nov 2023, 13:18
mrclark303 wrote: 08 Nov 2023, 12:54
tomuk wrote: 08 Nov 2023, 02:08
Jensy wrote: 07 Nov 2023, 16:57 Oh what a surprise:



The lies told by the MoD, in order to single source from their favourite US Defence Contractor / provider of cushty advisory and board positions seem to have finally come back to bite us on the posterior.

Not that anyone will be held responsible for this cronyism and corruption.
What agreed timeframe? I didn't think we had even agreed the business case yet.
So what exactly is causing the delay, considering it's a thoroughly well known and understood system and airframe combination, there certainly shouldn't be any unknown issues??

Or has the MOD done it's usual and demanded changes and alterations from the base spec??

The point of procuring a known and in service system, is to stop delays and unexpected additional expenses.
Is it thoroughly well know? Both of the far more experienced aircraft conversion specialists in the U.K. walked away because they were way underestimating what was involved.

Add to that most Boeing a/c program over the past 4 years has been suspended from delivery for at least 18 months due to incompetence in engineering and manufacturing practices which has lead to increased scrutiny on all supplementary type certification of their a/c.

Also pandemic supply chain issues that persist.
It was neither a known system or in production, issues arise no matter what yarns were spun to get it on contract in the beginning.
Well it's it's produced and in full service with Australia, in service and in production with South Korea and Turkey....

So what would be the unknown, in service with three countries SW1, what am I missing here??

Has the MOD specified a UK only modification ( something unique and exquisitely expensive) as per usual??
The fact it was once produced 15 years ago does not make it in production. I supposed you could have asked for exactly the same radar and exactly the same a/c that was produced 15 years ago but as they don’t exist you might have been waiting a while.
In production (and being delivered in South Korea and Turkey), the point being that the airfix instructions have been long written and refined and are in current use by two countries...

Step one, glue pilot to seat ect, etc....

So, what's the actual hold up, anyone know??

I dare say had we ordered from the South Korean assembly line, we would already have the first in service, with the other two well underway.

The South Koreans have this 'peculiar habit' with high end engineering of actually getting quality equipment built and delivered, on time and on budget.

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mrclark303 wrote: 08 Nov 2023, 14:23
SW1 wrote: 08 Nov 2023, 13:18
mrclark303 wrote: 08 Nov 2023, 12:54
tomuk wrote: 08 Nov 2023, 02:08
Jensy wrote: 07 Nov 2023, 16:57 Oh what a surprise:



The lies told by the MoD, in order to single source from their favourite US Defence Contractor / provider of cushty advisory and board positions seem to have finally come back to bite us on the posterior.

Not that anyone will be held responsible for this cronyism and corruption.
What agreed timeframe? I didn't think we had even agreed the business case yet.
So what exactly is causing the delay, considering it's a thoroughly well known and understood system and airframe combination, there certainly shouldn't be any unknown issues??

Or has the MOD done it's usual and demanded changes and alterations from the base spec??

The point of procuring a known and in service system, is to stop delays and unexpected additional expenses.
Is it thoroughly well know? Both of the far more experienced aircraft conversion specialists in the U.K. walked away because they were way underestimating what was involved.

Add to that most Boeing a/c program over the past 4 years has been suspended from delivery for at least 18 months due to incompetence in engineering and manufacturing practices which has lead to increased scrutiny on all supplementary type certification of their a/c.

Also pandemic supply chain issues that persist.
It was neither a known system or in production, issues arise no matter what yarns were spun to get it on contract in the beginning.
Well it's it's produced and in full service with Australia, in service and in production with South Korea and Turkey....

So what would be the unknown, in service with three countries SW1, what am I missing here??

Has the MOD specified a UK only modification ( something unique and exquisitely expensive) as per usual??
What South Korean production line? The last a/c was delivered to South Korea 11 years ago.

You really don’t know what your talking about when it comes to modifying a/c and certifying them so best to leave it there.

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mrclark303 wrote: 08 Nov 2023, 15:12 In production (and being delivered in South Korea and Turkey), the point being that the airfix instructions have been long written and refined and are in current use by two countries...

Step one, glue pilot to seat ect, etc....

So, what's the actual hold up, anyone know??

I dare say had we ordered from the South Korean assembly line, we would already have the first in service, with the other two well underway.

The South Koreans have this 'peculiar habit' with high end engineering of actually getting quality equipment built and delivered, on time and on budget.
As has been hinted above, when Marshall wanted nothing to do with this it should have been a massive red flag. Sadly no one at the MoD was sharp enough, or brave enough to take note.

Not sure the RoK covered themselves with glory in terms of "quality equipment built and delivered" with our Tide Class tankers.

Had this programme gone through an open competition then it's likely a Wedgetail solution would have still won. However Boeing/STS would at least have had to put something in writing about the deliverability of the programme, like any other bidders.

Meanwhile the USAF will be benefiting greatly from our current woeful experiences for their own E-7 procurement.
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Jensy wrote: 07 Nov 2023, 16:57 Oh what a surprise:



The lies told by the MoD, in order to single source from their favourite US Defence Contractor / provider of cushty advisory and board positions seem to have finally come back to bite us on the posterior.

Not that anyone will be held responsible for this cronyism and corruption.
Totally agree. The single source Boeing default option needs to be seriously investigated - if necessary by the SFO. Chairman of Boeing UK is a former Senior Civil Servant - whodathunkit
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Jensy wrote: 08 Nov 2023, 15:21
mrclark303 wrote: 08 Nov 2023, 15:12 In production (and being delivered in South Korea and Turkey), the point being that the airfix instructions have been long written and refined and are in current use by two countries...

Step one, glue pilot to seat ect, etc....

So, what's the actual hold up, anyone know??

I dare say had we ordered from the South Korean assembly line, we would already have the first in service, with the other two well underway.

The South Koreans have this 'peculiar habit' with high end engineering of actually getting quality equipment built and delivered, on time and on budget.

Had this programme gone through an open competition then it's likely a Wedgetail solution would have still won. However Boeing/STS would at least have had to put something in writing about the deliverability of the programme, like any other bidders.
That's the key point. Back in the day when I was at Bosch, our number one historical customer was BMW. Both Bavarian, global HQs close to each other, lots of family connections.
But everytime a new model came out BMW would still scrupulously go through the tendering process. It was ours to lose, but we still had to win it and the guys would be challenged on scope "do we really need multi channel ABS on the base 3 series, I mean it's a light car, braking distance is good, do a carry over and we'll put the money saved into other features". No license to print money

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SW1 wrote: 08 Nov 2023, 15:17

What South Korean production line? The last a/c was delivered to South Korea 11 years ago.

You really don’t know what your talking about when it comes to modifying a/c and certifying them so best to leave it there.
Why on earth are they going for second hand airframes? That have been based in China? You could not make this up.

The 737 NG lists at 90 million USD. So 220m GBP for 3. Before the inevitable bulk discount. Seriously get on the phone to Michael O'Leary and ask him how much he's paying. Actually we'll take three of his latest order

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SD67 wrote: 08 Nov 2023, 15:53
SW1 wrote: 08 Nov 2023, 15:17

What South Korean production line? The last a/c was delivered to South Korea 11 years ago.

You really don’t know what your talking about when it comes to modifying a/c and certifying them so best to leave it there.
Why on earth are they going for second hand airframes? That have been based in China? You could not make this up.

The 737 NG lists at 90 million USD. So 220m GBP for 3. Before the inevitable bulk discount. Seriously get on the phone to Michael O'Leary and ask him how much he's paying. Actually we'll take three of his latest order
That a/c standard that was back in the day converted to wedgetail isn’t in production it was not a vanilla NG it was a variant of it. So I would assume they were looking for a/c as close to the original MOD standard as they could find to attempt to keep change and rework to a minimum that may not have worked out as well as they hoped. It was the deal of the century after all

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SW1 wrote: 08 Nov 2023, 16:02
SD67 wrote: 08 Nov 2023, 15:53
SW1 wrote: 08 Nov 2023, 15:17

What South Korean production line? The last a/c was delivered to South Korea 11 years ago.

You really don’t know what your talking about when it comes to modifying a/c and certifying them so best to leave it there.
Why on earth are they going for second hand airframes? That have been based in China? You could not make this up.

The 737 NG lists at 90 million USD. So 220m GBP for 3. Before the inevitable bulk discount. Seriously get on the phone to Michael O'Leary and ask him how much he's paying. Actually we'll take three of his latest order
That a/c standard that was back in the day converted to wedgetail isn’t in production it was not a vanilla NG it was a variant of it. So I would assume they were looking for a/c as close to the original MOD standard as they could find to attempt to keep change and rework to a minimum that may not have worked out as well as they hoped. It was the deal of the century after all
Some special NG that was only sold to China? Seriously? NG has been mass produced for decades. You couldn't buy a "special" NG. It's like buying a "special" Ford Transit. But if you insist then I've got one to sell you, along with some waterfront property in Iowa and a lovely bridge in London. Honestly I think our government are on drugs. All those Cocaine hauls in the Caribbean are ending up somewhere
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SD67 wrote: 08 Nov 2023, 16:18
SW1 wrote: 08 Nov 2023, 16:02
SD67 wrote: 08 Nov 2023, 15:53
SW1 wrote: 08 Nov 2023, 15:17

What South Korean production line? The last a/c was delivered to South Korea 11 years ago.

You really don’t know what your talking about when it comes to modifying a/c and certifying them so best to leave it there.
Why on earth are they going for second hand airframes? That have been based in China? You could not make this up.

The 737 NG lists at 90 million USD. So 220m GBP for 3. Before the inevitable bulk discount. Seriously get on the phone to Michael O'Leary and ask him how much he's paying. Actually we'll take three of his latest order
That a/c standard that was back in the day converted to wedgetail isn’t in production it was not a vanilla NG it was a variant of it. So I would assume they were looking for a/c as close to the original MOD standard as they could find to attempt to keep change and rework to a minimum that may not have worked out as well as they hoped. It was the deal of the century after all
Some special NG that was only sold to China? Seriously? NG has been mass produced for decades. You couldn't buy a "special" NG. It's like buying a "special" Ford Transit. But if you insist then I've got one to sell you, along with some waterfront property in Iowa and a lovely bridge in London. Honestly I think our government are on drugs. All those Cocaine hauls in the Caribbean are ending up somewhere
No it was a BBJ variant very very few were sold may of had several owners.
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Right so as a cost accountant that is exactly what I would be challenging. What exactly is needed? Give me the specific dimensions. Payload endurance aerodynamic performance. Then gap fit that against the documented performance of this brand new 737 I have just bought from Ryanair. What is the cost of the delta. What are the alternative uses for that cost. Did Australia buy some special BBJ variant? If not why not. If the E7 cannot be easily adapted to a baseline 737 NG then it is not very good is it and actually maybe the advertised price is not entirely representative of the true acquisition cost - would you like us to advertise that to the entire world?
Seriously a Boeing sales rep walks in, sees one of our guys and has to contain himself from bursting out laughing.

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Jensy wrote: 08 Nov 2023, 15:21
mrclark303 wrote: 08 Nov 2023, 15:12 In production (and being delivered in South Korea and Turkey), the point being that the airfix instructions have been long written and refined and are in current use by two countries...

Step one, glue pilot to seat ect, etc....

So, what's the actual hold up, anyone know??

I dare say had we ordered from the South Korean assembly line, we would already have the first in service, with the other two well underway.

The South Koreans have this 'peculiar habit' with high end engineering of actually getting quality equipment built and delivered, on time and on budget.
As has been hinted above, when Marshall wanted nothing to do with this it should have been a massive red flag. Sadly no one at the MoD was sharp enough, or brave enough to take note.

Not sure the RoK covered themselves with glory in terms of "quality equipment built and delivered" with our Tide Class tankers.

Had this programme gone through an open competition then it's likely a Wedgetail solution would have still won. However Boeing/STS would at least have had to put something in writing about the deliverability of the programme, like any other bidders.

Meanwhile the USAF will be benefiting greatly from our current woeful experiences for their own E-7 procurement.
To be fair, I'll give you the Tides, but that example aside, they make us look positively backwards in manufacturing.

So, am I to take from this that we let a consortium just 'have a go' and we write them blank cheques???🤔

Another wonderful procument decision....😣

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SD67 wrote: 08 Nov 2023, 17:12 Right so as a cost accountant that is exactly what I would be challenging. What exactly is needed? Give me the specific dimensions. Payload endurance aerodynamic performance. Then gap fit that against the documented performance of this brand new 737 I have just bought from Ryanair. What is the cost of the delta. What are the alternative uses for that cost. Did Australia buy some special BBJ variant? If not why not. If the E7 cannot be easily adapted to a baseline 737 NG then it is not very good is it and actually maybe the advertised price is not entirely representative of the true acquisition cost - would you like us to advertise that to the entire world?
Seriously a Boeing sales rep walks in, sees one of our guys and has to contain himself from bursting out laughing.
Yes Australia did buy the bbj variant they also have 2 leased for government transport. They haven’t made them for some time. I believe all the wedgetails converted were from this baseline standard. Boeing moved on to the -800ng bbj sometime in the late 2010s and stopped making them all together in 2021 as they moved to max.

It’s a -700 fuse with a strengthened wing, 6-9 Additional fuel tanks and strengthened landing gear. That’s before the conversion is to begin.

All non recurring engineering and integration of systems would would need to be re-done against a new baseline if you don’t wish to use the same variant as previous or you wouldn’t be able to certify it.

Ryanair buy the most consessed aircraft going form Boeing that no one else wants so they get them cheap wouldn’t start from there.
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SW1 wrote: 08 Nov 2023, 17:40
SD67 wrote: 08 Nov 2023, 17:12 Right so as a cost accountant that is exactly what I would be challenging. What exactly is needed? Give me the specific dimensions. Payload endurance aerodynamic performance. Then gap fit that against the documented performance of this brand new 737 I have just bought from Ryanair. What is the cost of the delta. What are the alternative uses for that cost. Did Australia buy some special BBJ variant? If not why not. If the E7 cannot be easily adapted to a baseline 737 NG then it is not very good is it and actually maybe the advertised price is not entirely representative of the true acquisition cost - would you like us to advertise that to the entire world?
Seriously a Boeing sales rep walks in, sees one of our guys and has to contain himself from bursting out laughing.
Yes Australia did buy the bbj variant they also have 2 leased for government transport. They haven’t made them for some time. I believe all the wedgetails converted were from this baseline standard. Boeing moved on to the -800ng bbj sometime in the late 2010s and stopped making them all together in 2021 as they moved to max.

It’s a -700 fuse with a strengthened wing, 6-9 Additional fuel tanks and strengthened landing gear. That’s before the conversion is to begin.

All non recurring engineering and integration of systems would would need to be re-done against a new baseline if you don’t wish to use the same variant as previous or you wouldn’t be able to certify it.

Ryanair buy the most consessed aircraft going form Boeing that no one else wants so they get them cheap wouldn’t start from there.
That's interesting, so we now have a new breed of CADCAM that magically self destructs after a decade. All that integration work somehow disappears into the ether.
And we have certification that expires despite the fact that a the exact same airplane is currently in service with one of our closest allies. Really interesting. Let's test this out, get a friendly billionaire, say I don't know call him "Trump" to call up Chicago and ask for a BBJ -700 NG with a new wing, see what they say.

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SD67 wrote: 08 Nov 2023, 17:52
SW1 wrote: 08 Nov 2023, 17:40
SD67 wrote: 08 Nov 2023, 17:12 Right so as a cost accountant that is exactly what I would be challenging. What exactly is needed? Give me the specific dimensions. Payload endurance aerodynamic performance. Then gap fit that against the documented performance of this brand new 737 I have just bought from Ryanair. What is the cost of the delta. What are the alternative uses for that cost. Did Australia buy some special BBJ variant? If not why not. If the E7 cannot be easily adapted to a baseline 737 NG then it is not very good is it and actually maybe the advertised price is not entirely representative of the true acquisition cost - would you like us to advertise that to the entire world?
Seriously a Boeing sales rep walks in, sees one of our guys and has to contain himself from bursting out laughing.
Yes Australia did buy the bbj variant they also have 2 leased for government transport. They haven’t made them for some time. I believe all the wedgetails converted were from this baseline standard. Boeing moved on to the -800ng bbj sometime in the late 2010s and stopped making them all together in 2021 as they moved to max.

It’s a -700 fuse with a strengthened wing, 6-9 Additional fuel tanks and strengthened landing gear. That’s before the conversion is to begin.

All non recurring engineering and integration of systems would would need to be re-done against a new baseline if you don’t wish to use the same variant as previous or you wouldn’t be able to certify it.

Ryanair buy the most consessed aircraft going form Boeing that no one else wants so they get them cheap wouldn’t start from there.
That's interesting, so we now have a new breed of CADCAM that magically self destructs after a decade. All that integration work somehow disappears into the ether.
And we have certification that expires despite the fact that a the exact same airplane is currently in service with one of our closest allies. Really interesting. Let's test this out, get a friendly billionaire, say I don't know call him "Trump" to call up Chicago and ask for a BBJ -700 NG with a new wing, see what they say.
NG ain't in production at all.

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