AW101 Merlin Helicopter (RN)

[Poiuytrewq]

That is not what the government currently requires. It is your wish list.

What does the government currently require?

[SW1]

That is not what the government currently requires. It is your wish list.

What does the government currently require?

A carrier strike group and support to the nuclear deterrent.

And national SF support

[Tempest414]

As said many a time we need to buy 70 AW-149 or the like these need to have a folding rotor and be split 40 /30 between the Army and RAF. Next the armies Wildcats need to go to the Navy

We can then have 3 flights of 4 Merlin HC4's one for the CSG and one each for LRG/N&S these will be backed up as needed by the RAF AW-149's

With this the LRG's can have a mix of 4 x Merlin and 4 x Wildcat

[Poiuytrewq]

….the armies Wildcats need to go to the Navy

This would instantly solve the RN helicopter shortage and remove the “no need for more hangers as not enough helicopters” argument.

With this the LRG's can have a mix of 4 x Merlin and 4 x Wildcat

Perfect, that’s all that is required.

[Tempest414]

If we went with 70 Aw-149's this could mean that the 4 Merlin's and 4 Wildcats of the LRG's could be backed up by Chinooks , AW-149's and Apache's as needed

[SW1]

If we went with 70 Aw-149's this could mean that the 4 Merlin's and 4 Wildcats of the LRG's could be backed up by Chinooks , AW-149's and Apache's as needed

The services can’t crew or support the helicopters they currently have how’s adding another 70 going to improve things?

If your adding that many helicopters to these supposed LRGs it’s really just the carrier group.

[Tempest414]

If we went with 70 Aw-149's this could mean that the 4 Merlin's and 4 Wildcats of the LRG's could be backed up by Chinooks , AW-149's and Apache's as needed

The services can’t crew or support the helicopters they currently have how’s adding another 70 going to improve things?

If your adding that many helicopters to these supposed LRGs it’s really just the carrier group.

Always with the negative waves Moriarty. Just think beautiful positive thoughts and those new helicopters crews and spares will be there baby

Remember it is this government that wants a global force and if that is what they want they have to pay for it

Also out of 70 aircraft 10 will be in deep maintenance 10 will be in the joint OCU leaving 2 units of 10 in the RAF and 3 unit of 10 in the Army

The 40 for the Army would replace Wildcat , Bell 212 & AS365 and the 30 in the RAF would replace Puma and Griffin

The armies Wildcats would go to the Navy with say 15 taken into service and the other 20 stored and rotated around to extend fleet life and allow proper upgrade plans so in total we would be adding say 15 to 20 helicopters not 70

[Poiuytrewq]

If your adding that many helicopters to these supposed LRGs it’s really just the carrier group.

It depends what constitutes an LRG.

If LRG(S) is formed with a Bay, Argus and two T31’s then the group has theoretical capacity of 6x Merlin and 6x Wildcat. Adding Apache and Chinook is more of a challenge but with Argus it is possible if required.

Why would you need a full CSG to perform a tasking the LRG is designed to perform? Namely, to deploy a modest RM force to operate in the Littoral whilst utilising the T31’s for A2/AD and the embarked Wildcats for ASuW?

[SW1]

If your adding that many helicopters to these supposed LRGs it’s really just the carrier group.

It depends what constitutes an LRG.

If LRG(S) is formed with a Bay, Argus and two T31’s then the group has theoretical capacity of 6x Merlin and 6x Wildcat. Adding Apache and Chinook is more of a challenge but with Argus it is possible if required.

Why would you need a full CSG to perform a tasking the LRG is designed to perform? Namely, to deploy a modest RM force to operate in the Littoral whilst utilising the T31’s for A2/AD and the embarked Wildcats for ASuW?

What is the tasking the LRG is designed to preform?

If they are only talking about littoral work probably a couple of wildcat would suffice for boarding overwatch and surveillance. No need for merlin or chinook to embark

[Tempest414]

I would say Littoral means up to 100k in land. I would also say that you need 4 Merlin's to move and support a re-enforced company or move HDAR kit plus 4 Wildcats to have 2 on QRA fitted with 10 LMM and 2 Sea Venom add to this 6 to 8 UAV's for OTH search and track

[topman]

Always with the negative waves Moriarty. Just think beautiful positive thoughts and those new helicopters crews and spares will be there baby

Remember it is this government that wants a global force and if that is what they want they have to pay for it

I don't think the government wants a global force nor the slightest intention of paying for a large increase in numbers.

[Tempest414]

I would agree the this government has no intention of paying for anything

It would also be nice for this government to say what it really wants

[Poiuytrewq]

Moved across.