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Can't see any reason why we'd adopt a totally expendable munition to be honest...

Ukrainian's are dropping grenades of varying types from Mavic, 'Kamikaze' FPV drones...and just recently using FPV for dropping grenades (which means that the more expensive Mavic/Matrice can be used for observation and kept out of harms way...also means the FPV can do a moving/diving attack which reduces the chances of it being engaged even further...

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Longer video on the Jackal UAV.

The base vehicle is a UAV created by a Turkish University and licenced by Flyby. The LMM being fired is a test round, I suspect the 2nd stage motor is not installed.

Also noticeable that there is no EO/IR turret...


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Timmymagic wrote: 18 Jun 2023, 13:56 Longer video on the Jackal UAV.

The base vehicle is a UAV created by a Turkish University and licenced by Flyby. The LMM being fired is a test round, I suspect the 2nd stage motor is not installed.

Also noticeable that there is no EO/IR turret...

I don't know about the jackal, I just feel like it is more optimised for it's looks then any actual optimisation for technology or mission, e.g ducted fan's inbeded in wings, the helicopterish looking lower payload body, e.c.t. That's fine if you're doing a proof of concept for a university, by do you want it operationally? As for FPV drone potential, they are hyper customisable, cheaper, and with greater performance. By no- single company resilience you increase options and lessen dependence on a Chinese company such as the Mavic drones.

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Xavier posted his YouTube video to the "French Armed Forces" thread, but I felt it was also important for UK UAV's thread due to the mention on testing the Mojave drone on HMS Queen Elizabeth.

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new guy wrote: 18 Jun 2023, 20:02 I don't know about the jackal, I just feel like it is more optimised for it's looks then any actual optimisation for technology or mission, e.g ducted fan's inbeded in wings, the helicopterish looking lower payload body, e.c.t. That's fine if you're doing a proof of concept for a university, by do you want it operationally? As for FPV drone potential, they are hyper customisable, cheaper, and with greater performance. By no- single company resilience you increase options and lessen dependence on a Chinese company such as the Mavic drones.
Re-purposing works sometimes, but I don't think Jackal does.

As for resilience and non-dependence on China....all the brushless motors on those FPV drones are made in China....we really need to address the supply chain.

Right now I'd rather the UK not spend £1bn on hypersonics, but instead put that into small drone developments and production capability of components...

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Timmymagic wrote: 08 Jul 2023, 23:45 Right now I'd rather the UK not spend £1bn on hypersonics, but instead put that into small drone developments and production capability of components...
Good point.

It was a little controversial when the Army removed the 60mm mortar from use. Perhaps it's replacement should have been a re-useable drone capable of carrying and dropping 60mm mortar rounds, rather than the CG.

Though both would be best, of course, as units at every level need both direct & indirect fire capabilities appropriate to their size. :)
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Caribbean wrote: 09 Jul 2023, 08:51 It was a little controversial when the Army removed the 60mm mortar from use. Perhaps it's replacement should have been a re-useable drone capable of carrying and dropping 60mm mortar rounds, rather than the CG.

Though both would be best, of course, as units at every level need both direct & indirect fire capabilities appropriate to their size.
One thing that strikes me from all the videos from Ukraine is how I reckon that every Ukrainian platoon would kill for a hand held 60mm mortar...

And yet the British Army knows better...

I've no objection to buying CG if the rounds are cheap, but its needed alongside 60mm Mortar, 40mm grenade launchers etc etc

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QinetiQ Jackdaw. A repurposed Banshee.

Clearly aimed at the RN...

https://www.qinetiq.com/en/news/qinetiq ... as-concept


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Come back once you've test fired it. Until then it's just a toy on display at a toy fair.
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Interesting 'STRIX' VTOL UAV concept from BAE Australia on display at DSEI:

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Details from June: https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/m ... ne-concept

Also a joint venture between QinetiQ and BAE:

https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/uv-o ... mpaign=RSS
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Timmymagic wrote: 18 Jun 2023, 13:56 Longer video on the Jackal UAV.

The base vehicle is a UAV created by a Turkish University and licenced by Flyby. The LMM being fired is a test round, I suspect the 2nd stage motor is not installed.

Also noticeable that there is no EO/IR turret...

I'm not going to lie...very surprised by this...no news yet if LMM is included.


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Timmymagic wrote: 16 Sep 2023, 19:39 Overwatch Pholos

https://www.overwatch-group.uk/

Cool - lets make some and send to Ukraine to see how they get on - perfect opportunity to battle test new concepts on the russian army.
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It would be interesting to know whether these can be landed and re-used if there is no appropriate target to engage or whether, once they have taken off, there is no way to recover them.

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TheLoneRanger wrote: 17 Sep 2023, 10:36
Timmymagic wrote: 16 Sep 2023, 19:39 Overwatch Pholos

https://www.overwatch-group.uk/

Cool - lets make some and send to Ukraine to see how they get on - perfect opportunity to battle test new concepts on the russian army.
Already been sent apparently...

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Jensy wrote: 15 Sep 2023, 14:44 Interesting 'STRIX' VTOL UAV concept from BAE Australia on display at DSEI:

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Details from June: https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/m ... ne-concept

Also a joint venture between QinetiQ and BAE:

https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/uv-o ... mpaign=RSS
Nice. Could that fly from the back of a T31 ? Make the T32 (Absalon) with an even bigger hanger & flightdeck.

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Dahedd wrote: 01 Oct 2023, 10:48
Jensy wrote: 15 Sep 2023, 14:44 Interesting 'STRIX' VTOL UAV concept from BAE Australia on display at DSEI:

Image

Details from June: https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/m ... ne-concept

Also a joint venture between QinetiQ and BAE:

https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/uv-o ... mpaign=RSS
Nice. Could that fly from the back of a T31 ? Make the T32 (Absalon) with an even bigger hanger & flightdeck.
definitely. fits into a container / POD so quite small.
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new guy wrote: 01 Oct 2023, 10:55

definitely. fits into a container / POD so quite small.
Excellent. Couple of those on a frigate to supplement the Wildcat/Merlin
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Dahedd wrote: 01 Oct 2023, 11:06
new guy wrote: 01 Oct 2023, 10:55

definitely. fits into a container / POD so quite small.
Excellent. Couple of those on a frigate to supplement the Wildcat/Merlin
They appear to be quiet good consept.

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new guy wrote: 01 Oct 2023, 11:09
Dahedd wrote: 01 Oct 2023, 11:06
new guy wrote: 01 Oct 2023, 10:55

definitely. fits into a container / POD so quite small.
Excellent. Couple of those on a frigate to supplement the Wildcat/Merlin
They appear to be quiet good equipment.
They don't exist yet Just a concept. But they pack in an ISO container, can carry sonobuoys or a dipping sonar, Razer, Sea Venom, Brimstone and LWT so look like they would be the ideal accompaniment to Merlin on T26.
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Timmymagic wrote: 01 Oct 2023, 18:14
new guy wrote: 01 Oct 2023, 11:09
Dahedd wrote: 01 Oct 2023, 11:06
new guy wrote: 01 Oct 2023, 10:55

definitely. fits into a container / POD so quite small.
Excellent. Couple of those on a frigate to supplement the Wildcat/Merlin
They appear to be quiet good equipment.
They don't exist yet Just a concept. But they pack in an ISO container, can carry sonobuoys or a dipping sonar, Razer, Sea Venom, Brimstone and LWT so look like they would be the ideal accompaniment to Merlin on T26.
yes, concept is better word

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BAE strix naval:


Very good STRIX material:
https://dtrsupplements.partica.online/d ... lipbook/1/
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These hybrid VTOL drones are way more interesting for the military because they can push out far higher sortie durations
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