Future UK Combat Aircraft (Project Tempest)

[dmereifield]

We need the current government to sign up to some Gordon Brown style Carrier contracts to be sure of that....

[mrclark303]

We need the current government to sign up to some Gordon Brown style Carrier contracts to be sure of that....

I hope they do.....

The looming UK general election must be a slight concern to the Japanese government, in this critical moment when the embryonic corporate structure of Tempest is being formed.

I am sure they wil pressure the UK government to sign up and equally pressure the Labour party to confirm their commitment to it.....

[Meriv9]

TSR2 is the Uk version of Canadian Avro C-105 Drama?

[mrclark303]

We need the current government to sign up to some Gordon Brown style Carrier contracts to be sure of that....

I hope they do.....

The looming UK general election must be a slight concern to the Japanese government, in this critical moment when the embryonic corporate structure of Tempest is being formed.

I am sure they wil pressure the UK government to sign up and equally pressure the Labour party to confirm their commitment to it.....

Just to add, I expect the programme to move quickly when it's underway, certainly much faster than Typhoon, a programme where the partners still moan and argue about upgrades ....

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[SD67]

TSR2 is the Uk version of Canadian Avro C-105 Drama?

Much worse

[Spitfire9]

We need the current government to sign up to some Gordon Brown style Carrier contracts to be sure of that....

I hope they do.....

The looming UK general election must be a slight concern to the Japanese government, in this critical moment when the embryonic corporate structure of Tempest is being formed.

I am sure they wil pressure the UK government to sign up and equally pressure the Labour party to confirm their commitment to it.....

I hope we don't have a trade agreement with Japan. They can let us know that if we back out of this co-operative agreement there won't be a co-operative trade agreement for a long time.

PS The geniuses who told us that getting out of the EU was a brilliant idea, an EU all of whose members were nasty johnny foreigners except for us, told us that the UK would enjoy great trade advantages once we left. The reality was the opposite and we desperately need trade agreements with major economies.

[mrclark303]

TSR2 is the Uk version of Canadian Avro C-105 Drama?

Much worse

TSR2 was mentioned, so here we go.....

There's an interesting synergy between the TSR2 and Arrow,both world leading programmes, both killed by government inability to see the huge strides and opportunities the programmes offered.

In many ways, Arrow was worse, because it had gone a great deal further than TSR2 ever managed and was at the cusp of proving a remarkable aircraft....

A terrible shame for both Canada and the UK....

[TheLoneRanger]

We need the current government to sign up to some Gordon Brown style Carrier contracts to be sure of that....

I hope they do.....

The looming UK general election must be a slight concern to the Japanese government, in this critical moment when the embryonic corporate structure of Tempest is being formed.

I am sure they wil pressure the UK government to sign up and equally pressure the Labour party to confirm their commitment to it.....

I hope we don't have a trade agreement with Japan. They can let us know that if we back out of this co-operative agreement there won't be a co-operative trade agreement for a long time.

PS The geniuses who told us that getting out of the EU was a brilliant idea, an EU all of whose members were nasty johnny foreigners except for us, told us that the UK would enjoy great trade advantages once we left. The reality was the opposite and we desperately need trade agreements with major economies.

I totally disagree, the UK will prosper as an independent country.

Covid hit the pause button, but we are getting there steadily now.

Leaving the EU was about more than the economy anyway, it was about leaving an organisation hell bent on blurring sovereignty and creating a United States of Europe...

If that's what the Europeans want, good luck to them, I'm glad we're out of that particular mad house....

[dmereifield]

We need the current government to sign up to some Gordon Brown style Carrier contracts to be sure of that....

I hope they do.....

The looming UK general election must be a slight concern to the Japanese government, in this critical moment when the embryonic corporate structure of Tempest is being formed.

I am sure they wil pressure the UK government to sign up and equally pressure the Labour party to confirm their commitment to it.....

I hope we don't have a trade agreement with Japan. They can let us know that if we back out of this co-operative agreement there won't be a co-operative trade agreement for a long time.

PS The geniuses who told us that getting out of the EU was a brilliant idea, an EU all of whose members were nasty johnny foreigners except for us, told us that the UK would enjoy great trade advantages once we left. The reality was the opposite and we desperately need trade agreements with major economies.

Despite being told by the anti Brexit crowd that no countries would want to sign FTAs with the UK without the EUs economic clout, post Brexit, Japan and many other countries have signed FTAs with the UK

[SD67]

Interesting one for historians

Personally I think if there were no Brexit we’d be looking at a maybe 20% share in FCAS, maybe even alignment of SSNs with France ie adopting LEU. I don’t think 5 eyes would last long term given the EUs defence ambitions.

[inch]

We need the current government to sign up to some Gordon Brown style Carrier contracts to be sure of that....

I hope they do.....

The looming UK general election must be a slight concern to the Japanese government, in this critical moment when the embryonic corporate structure of Tempest is being formed.

I am sure they wil pressure the UK government to sign up and equally pressure the Labour party to confirm their commitment to it.....

I hope we don't have a trade agreement with Japan. They can let us know that if we back out of this co-operative agreement there won't be a co-operative trade agreement for a long time.

PS The geniuses who told us that getting out of the EU was a brilliant idea, an EU all of whose members were nasty johnny foreigners except for us, told us that the UK would enjoy great trade advantages once we left. The reality was the opposite and we desperately need trade agreements with major economies.

Thank god we are out ,it's just been proven how useless Europe are the last few years ,bunch of left wing pc ,bureaucratic, can't make their mind up ,rule for one organisation,we glad to be out of,hell half of them wouldn't even defend themselves,utter useless,god help the next lefty labour trying to sign UK up to euro con scheme ,just saying

[TheLoneRanger]

Interesting one for historians

Personally I think if there were no Brexit we’d be looking at a maybe 20% share in FCAS, maybe even alignment of SSNs with France ie adopting LEU. I don’t think 5 eyes would last long term given the EUs defence ambitions.

EU has nothing to do with 5-eyes .... so its future has nothing to do with the EU.

[SD67]

Interesting one for historians

Personally I think if there were no Brexit we’d be looking at a maybe 20% share in FCAS, maybe even alignment of SSNs with France ie adopting LEU. I don’t think 5 eyes would last long term given the EUs defence ambitions.

EU has nothing to do with 5-eyes .... so its future has nothing to do with the EU.

IMHO The EU have serious ambitions in terms of defence and intelligence sharing. For example a new EU institution opened in just 2020 - Intelligence College of Europe. and the ability of the UK to straddle those two communities would be put under severe strain medium term.

[inch]

Interesting one for historians

Personally I think if there were no Brexit we’d be looking at a maybe 20% share in FCAS, maybe even alignment of SSNs with France ie adopting LEU. I don’t think 5 eyes would last long term given the EUs defence ambitions.

EU has nothing to do with 5-eyes .... so its future has nothing to do with the EU.

IMHO The EU have serious ambitions in terms of defence and intelligence sharing. For example a new EU institution opened in just 2020 - Intelligence College of Europe. and the ability of the UK to straddle those two communities would be put under severe strain medium term.

Let's just hope the EU institutions can weed out all the pro Russia leaning individuals, especially in a intelligence college,but I have my doubts,too many years riddled with that way of thinking, hence that's why UK intelligence is with USA is miles more effective that any EU intelligence instructions and the EU know that themselves,they are so behind the curve it's comical,they have admitted this , FRANCE and GERMANY,,

[wargame_insomniac]

Can we keep the politics out of Tempest thread, and in, well, the politics threads.

Thanks

[SD67]

" But Sir, He started it!"

[mrclark303]

" But Sir, He started it!"

No i'm Spartacus !

[ThreeHeadedLion]

By the time GCAP moves to induction stage, India will have a defense budget of over $250 billion. Any one who is not clinically insane would want to be a part of that. Especially given the potential for a huge order to replace the Su30 and the Mig29 fleets.

The big challenge is making a sale off the shelf and not getting them involved in the development. Also, the antagonistic relations that exist between Italy-India and Sweden-India are a big drag on the hopes of making such a sale. It would have been ideal if this was just a clean development between UK and Japan with India being a committed off the shelf customer. As things stand they will probably end up buying the American export variant or maybe the FCAS if the French can minimise the project dependence on Germany.

That's a weird logic,
India wants freedom of action, which they don't get under US ITAR.
That is why they buy French and Russian stuff.

FCAS will be completely ITAR free and provide them operational independence.

It's just that they might not get to buy any more of them after they go on a vicious warcrime spree and/or perpetrate large scale crimes against humanity like the Saudis.

Dealing with germans is far worse than dealing with ITAR. Americans themselves carry out many operations that can be classed as war crimes so it is easier to have a reasonable discussion with the americans as to why a particular action was necessary.

Germans on the other hand have no experience of military operations but have tons of snooty attitude to offer. Not to mention very hypocritically so as well giving sanctimonious lectures to soft states while grabbing every last yuan they can from the organ trading regime in china.

[Meriv9]

The big challenge is making a sale off the shelf and not getting them involved in the development. Also, the antagonistic relations that exist between Italy-India and Sweden-India are a big drag on the hopes of making such a sale. It would have been ideal if this was just a clean development between UK and Japan with India being a committed off the shelf customer. As things stand they will probably end up buying the American export variant or maybe the FCAS if the French can minimise the project dependence on Germany.

Don't worry the Italin-India strain was exacerbated probably by the elections coming back then, probably because of the Italian connection in the Gandi family.

Things are back to normal



Back in business even with people accused of mass massacre/genocide that 15 years ago were banned from the western world.

Pecunia non Olet...(money doesn't stink)