FV4034 Challenger 2 Main Battle Tank (British Army)

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that means we are down to 199 plus 75 Stored lets hope we pledge to upgrade 190 to CH-3 standard

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Just a tidbit that came out of a conversation at the Reform Club.

Focus is shifting onto the turret numbers produced (more) with the umming and ahhing about chassis numbers being less of an issue.

Read into that what you will (I took it as a CH3 turret on something like a K2 BP etc.).
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Mr Carrot wrote: 05 Mar 2023, 13:28 Just a tidbit that came out of a conversation at the Reform Club.

Focus is shifting onto the turret numbers produced (more) with the umming and ahhing about chassis numbers being less of an issue.

Read into that what you will (I took it as a CH3 turret on something like a K2 BP etc.).
Can you elaborate or speculate a little?

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Seems like, after all, UK will not double the number of CR2 tanks, intended to be sent to Ukraine. So, for now, it is just 14 originally announced


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dmereifield wrote: 05 Mar 2023, 21:34
Can you elaborate or speculate a little?
Policy discussion with MOD CS - so non technical but they option being discussed was to announce the turrets as "tanks" and worry about the chassis later.

Can't go into much more detail due to SC etc.
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Mr Carrot wrote: 05 Mar 2023, 13:28 Just a tidbit that came out of a conversation at the Reform Club.

Focus is shifting onto the turret numbers produced (more) with the umming and ahhing about chassis numbers being less of an issue.

Read into that what you will (I took it as a CH3 turret on something like a K2 BP etc.).
Interesting idea for sure. Are turrets that interchangeable? ie do the turrent mounting points now follow some kind of standard as far as dimensions go ?

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TheLoneRanger wrote: 06 Mar 2023, 17:28 Interesting idea for sure. Are turrets that interchangeable? ie do the turrent mounting points now follow some kind of standard as far as dimensions go ?
Depends on the turret and the hull. I suspect you couldn’t whip a turret off an existing tank and drop it on a wholly different model hull, but changing the physical interface wouldn’t be a huge modification.
You’d still have to deal with turret basket size, how and where you access any ammunition in the hull, electrical and electric interfaces.

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maybe they are trying to do what John Cocherill just did with it 3105 turret on the Leopard 1

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CR3 is progressing with new contract signed, this time with MilDef to manufacture Generic Vehicle Architecture-compliant Processors and Ethernet Switches.


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That appears to be consistent with BOXER (but not AJAX).

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Interesting to see the US-uniformed instructor/evaluator (?) there as part of the training team.
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albedo wrote: 28 Mar 2023, 16:13

Interesting to see the US-uniformed instructor/evaluator (?) there as part of the training team.
Gunnery exchanges have been common for decades.

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RunningStrong wrote: 28 Mar 2023, 20:22 Gunnery exchanges have been common for decades.
Yes, I'm sure. Just quite a coincidence that the exchange gunner happened to figure in this particular video. Not suggesting anything sinister or similar in it, but just caught my eye.

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The 120mm uranium rounds being supplied have been stated as for the use of the Challenger tank would it be correct to say they cant be used by other tanks for providing extra lethality to older tanks ?Is it known at this stage if the Challenger tanks supplied will have their side armour?

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Zeno wrote: 28 Mar 2023, 22:41 The 120mm uranium rounds being supplied have been stated as for the use of the Challenger tank would it be correct to say they cant be used by other tanks for providing extra lethality to older tanks ?Is it known at this stage if the Challenger tanks supplied will have their side armour?
The 120mm rounds for Challenger are only compatible with its rifled barrel. Abrams and Leopard have a smoothbore gun. As do Russian tanks albeit different calibre since T64.
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