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RunningStrong wrote: 12 Nov 2022, 15:28 Not sure that's confirmed...

https://euro-sd.com/2022/09/articles/27 ... eration-2/
I guess it depends on source one is using. I found this on defence24 site
460 K9PL howitzers are to be manufactured in Poland, domestically. As the Polish MoD announced, the K9PL system is to make use of the K9A2 technologies - including the autoloader system that made it possible to reduce the crew needed to operate the howitzer to 3 soldiers.
https://defence24.com/armed-forces/poli ... led-photos

Even the article you provided saying that ...
The K9PL variant is intended to include elements from the presently in development K9A2 SPH, along with the use of some Polish subsystems.

Poland’s July 2022 framework agreement with Hanwha Defense covers the purchase of a total of 672 K9 family SPHs, of which early tranches will consist of K9A1 and later tranches of K9PL. Additionally, the K9A1 SPHs are planned to later be upgraded to the K9PL standard, and both partners are also expected to work jointly on the K9A3 variant planned to complete development in the 2030s.
It does not confirm autoloader but main thing with both K9A2 and K9A3 is autoloader with reduced crew and more automatization. Who knows, maybe whoever wrote article for defence24 jumped to conclusion that it will have autoloader or received incomplete information. We can only wait for more info in the future.

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sol wrote: 12 Nov 2022, 13:10
Tempest414 wrote: 12 Nov 2022, 10:03 K9A2 might be a better fit in the Deep Strike BCT but I still believe we need a wheeled SP artillery unit capable of operating with the medium & Light Mechanised BCT's
What is medium brigade? Are you mean Armoured BCT? By FS, there will be only two 155mm regiments, which would cover both DRS and Armoured BCT. There is no need for two separate platform as there, and both tracked or wheeled could fit in that role. I am not arguing here which would be better choice.

While there are two LBCT, only the one of them will have regular artillery regiments. What guns this regiment will use, currently using L118, probably depend on what will replace that system. I personally don't see point having a separate wheeled 155mm platform just for one regiment, and if 16th AABCT and 3rd Comm continue with 105mm, than LBCT should do the same or else it will complicate both regular and TA artillery regiments structure, role and training.

Just wheeled platform would probably be the best option for the British Army, as, in that case, you can potentially have 3 regular 155mm regiments and one TA regiment operating on the same platform but again that depend on how they are planing to replace L118. I personally, don't like idea having 3 separate gun systems/platforms for just 5 gun artillery regiments.
Nowhere did I say 3 gun types for me what I would like to see is what ever replaces the L118 being able to operate form the back of a MAN 6x6 in SP mode or towed through use of its base plate

We also need to remember that 7th RHA and 29 Commando RA are special unit trained to operate within there brigades

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Boxer with RT-60 mission module



Unfortunately it is just an image without any news. It kinda looks big, if the British Army want to increase firepower with larger gun but not use missiles maybe some smaller version could do, like RT-20 perhaps. Or, if they want CTA 40, something like Nexter unmanned turret instead.

Wonder could Ares with Nexter unmanned turret could be used as IFV as Warrior replacement.

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MilDef bring manufacturing to Wales, first time outside of Sweden, to build processors for Boxer.

https://news.cision.com/mildef-group-ab ... s,c3671184

sol wrote: 23 Nov 2022, 12:58 Wonder could Ares with Nexter unmanned turret could be used as IFV as Warrior replacement.
Ares itself only carries 4 PAX, but certainly a variation on the internal fitment could have more seats.

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RunningStrong wrote: 23 Nov 2022, 13:30 Ares itself only carries 4 PAX, but certainly a variation on the internal fitment could have more seats.
Yes, not Ares per se, but version for infantry without necessary sensors and equipment. Ascod could carry 3 crew + 6 or 7 personnel (depending of source). If it can carry 7 that would give it same carry potential as Warrior and putting unmanned turret with CTA 40, could save space inside while giving purpose to all those guns already obtained. Not sure how much ammo for gun could be carried inside tho, without need to remove a man for it. If the Army wants a new tracked IFV, this could be logical choice, and if I am not wrong it should also have good protection to for that role. But considering that, so far, there is no plans to replace Warrior, this is all hypothetical of course.

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Sorry no good with adding images but a quick look on google under RT60 and there is a picture of a real boxer fitted with a RT-60 turret for a middle East country

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So, NAO reckons the Army has a requirement for 1300 Boxers.... that's an unbelievable number.

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Rentaghost wrote: 29 Nov 2022, 16:48 So, NAO reckons the Army has a requirement for 1300 Boxers.... that's an unbelievable number.
The NAO review what the MOD\Army have proposed they don't come up with their own requirements
Boxer: funding for 1,016 vehicles out of a requirement for 1,305.

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