Is this the first depolyment of LRG (S)? Or is this the exisiting LRG (N)?
Any news as to whether any other ships will be involved?
e.g. Albion / Bay class or Frigate escort?
Is this the first depolyment of LRG (S)? Or is this the exisiting LRG (N)?
Yes it looks more of the samewargame_insomniac wrote: ↑04 Sep 2022, 20:57Is this the first depolyment of LRG (S)? Or is this the exisiting LRG (N)?
Any news as to whether any other ships will be involved?
e.g. Albion / Bay class or Frigate escort?
It seems to me that it is considerably more likely that the LRG(S) would regularly be used to deploy personnel on active operations than it is that the LRG(N) will do so. The Middle East is far and away the most likely place that we would actually engage in costal raiding or use helicopters to conduct covert missions.Lord Jim wrote: ↑06 Sep 2022, 02:45 As far as I am concerned, LRG(S) should be put on the back burner and we should retain the Batch 2 Rivers as the only forward deployed naval vessels except for the ships currently in the Gulf. Mind you with our facilities in Bahrain, we could probably bring the Bay class back for a refit, even if investment in shore facilities and C3 for unmanned mine warfare systems being brought on line.
WE would do better with two LRG(N) if it were possible, once the MRSS are actualky in service.
Sincdce Gulf War 2 with the exception of possible SF operations I have not heard of any wish or intention to conduct landings or coastal operation in the Middle East.Phil Sayers wrote: ↑06 Sep 2022, 18:57It seems to me that it is considerably more likely that the LRG(S) would regularly be used to deploy personnel on active operations than it is that the LRG(N) will do so. The Middle East is far and away the most likely place that we would actually engage in costal raiding or use helicopters to conduct covert missions.Lord Jim wrote: ↑06 Sep 2022, 02:45 As far as I am concerned, LRG(S) should be put on the back burner and we should retain the Batch 2 Rivers as the only forward deployed naval vessels except for the ships currently in the Gulf. Mind you with our facilities in Bahrain, we could probably bring the Bay class back for a refit, even if investment in shore facilities and C3 for unmanned mine warfare systems being brought on line.
WE would do better with two LRG(N) if it were possible, once the MRSS are actualky in service.
I thought that was the plan? To initially stand up LRG(N), and then to later on stand up LRG(S) next year?
Listening to the interview, the commander states, "this time with improved aviation capability". I think he means UK is still trialing LRG concept with different configuration/force mix. We all know the "adding hangar to Bay" plan has seen lower priority, which I guess means 3 or 4 Merlin are deemed to be "NOT enough" for the LRG task.
That was in the Helicopter Assault role which would be where a QE steps in?
The QE's would have to stand to far off for that to work we would need MV-22's with there faster speed a longer range for them to really be effective
I was not stating on HMS Ocean or alike as a candidate for LRG member. Just wanted to state that, we do not need a 20000t flat top for "6 Merlin" hangar".Tempest414 wrote: ↑23 Sep 2022, 11:31The QE's would have to stand to far off for that to work we would need MV-22's with there faster speed a longer range for them to really be effective
Not sure, but I guess RN is just thinking to "scale" everything? When a full-level Norwayan operation takes place, maybe the LRG(S) soldiers will be coming back by airplane and join LRG(N), to make up a commando-level assault force? (although the ships and heavy vehicles might be kept in Indo-Pacific.)Lord Jim wrote: ↑23 Sep 2022, 13:21 The number of troops that are part of LRG(N) is a little confusing. The Dutch, and the German Battalion that is part of their Marine force are still seeing themselves working very closely with the Royal Marines. But we are organising the ROyal Marines into LRUs that are made up form a Commando Company with attached support units. Does this mean the Rolyal MArines will concentrate on raiding missions with the Dutch/German Amphibious Brigade acting as a follow up force to expand any holes made by the Royal Marines? Alternatively has there been a unwritten change in the MoD that reverts our northern commitments ot a larger force that is more like the units that trained with the Dutch for years but below full Brigade strength?
donald_of_tokyo wrote: ↑23 Sep 2022, 13:48I was not stating on HMS Ocean or alike as a candidate for LRG member. Just wanted to state that, we do not need a 20000t flat top for "6 Merlin" hangar".Tempest414 wrote: ↑23 Sep 2022, 11:31The QE's would have to stand to far off for that to work we would need MV-22's with there faster speed a longer range for them to really be effective
Not sure. There are many flight decks on Bays and Albions (and their replacements). And, if we build a 20000t flat top with everything, we will see only a 2 or 3 such ships to be built, like French Mistral class.Tempest414 wrote: ↑23 Sep 2022, 16:04Going forward you will need a 20000 ton flattop as 6 helicopters will not be enough to support a commando operation we will also need uav's plus other support also operating 6 helicopters off 2 spots is just nuts