Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

[Tempest414]

some great shots of CSG21 with USS America and JS Ase on Navy lookout

[PhillyJ]

PWLS and nipper back tomorrow 1530 leaving OSB. At least he made it back for the Victorious festival this weekend at Southsea!

[Ron5]

Yes, but not taking on of weapons or operating aircraft. Or use for PR purposes. Hence why I feel they are making a point

Exactly the point - innocent passage through someone else's territorial waters does not include the right to carry out military exercises or conduct manoeuvres.

Conducting a "first RAS" of munitions is a subtle contravention of both those rules. A kind "grey zone" form of provocation, if you will.

Xi: "It's annoying that those Brits send one of their new carriers half way round the world into our China sea"

"It's irritating that its 75k tons and better than any carrier we have"

"More annoying is its deck full of 5th gen fighters better than any in service in our air force"

"and don't get me started on the dozens of helos, fleet of escorts, RFA and thousands of sailors and commandos on board."

"No, what REALLY, REALLY pissed me off is when they dangled 4 small bombs on a bit of string between two of the ships"

[tomuk]

Yes, but not taking on of weapons or operating aircraft. Or use for PR purposes. Hence why I feel they are making a point

Exactly the point - innocent passage through someone else's territorial waters does not include the right to carry out military exercises or conduct manoeuvres.

Conducting a "first RAS" of munitions is a subtle contravention of both those rules. A kind "grey zone" form of provocation, if you will.

I'm sorry but at want point has the CSG sailed within 12nm of the Chinese coast let alone conducted RAS in the same area? China doesn't own the entire Pacific.

[SKB]

PoW returns to PRJ tomorrow between 15:30-16:00
https://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/qhm/portsm ... 26/08/2021

[seaspear]

Yes, but not taking on of weapons or operating aircraft. Or use for PR purposes. Hence why I feel they are making a point

Exactly the point - innocent passage through someone else's territorial waters does not include the right to carry out military exercises or conduct manoeuvres.

Conducting a "first RAS" of munitions is a subtle contravention of both those rules. A kind "grey zone" form of provocation, if you will.

I'm sorry but at want point has the CSG sailed within 12nm of the Chinese coast let alone conducted RAS in the same area? China doesn't own the entire Pacific.

I believe the point in contention is Chinas claims on the nine dash line that extends into other countries borders

[tomuk]

Yes, but not taking on of weapons or operating aircraft. Or use for PR purposes. Hence why I feel they are making a point

Exactly the point - innocent passage through someone else's territorial waters does not include the right to carry out military exercises or conduct manoeuvres.

Conducting a "first RAS" of munitions is a subtle contravention of both those rules. A kind "grey zone" form of provocation, if you will.

I'm sorry but at want point has the CSG sailed within 12nm of the Chinese coast let alone conducted RAS in the same area? China doesn't own the entire Pacific.

I believe the point in contention is Chinas claims on the nine dash line that extends into other countries borders

The nine dash claim is a load of b***cks. The UNCLOS ruling should be what stands and China should be told to wind its neck in.

[Enigmatically]

Yes, but not taking on of weapons or operating aircraft. Or use for PR purposes. Hence why I feel they are making a point

Exactly the point - innocent passage through someone else's territorial waters does not include the right to carry out military exercises or conduct manoeuvres.

Conducting a "first RAS" of munitions is a subtle contravention of both those rules. A kind "grey zone" form of provocation, if you will.

I'm sorry but at want point has the CSG sailed within 12nm of the Chinese coast let alone conducted RAS in the same area? China doesn't own the entire Pacific.

I believe the point in contention is Chinas claims on the nine dash line that extends into other countries borders

The nine dash claim is a load of b***cks. The UNCLOS ruling should be what stands and China should be told to wind its neck in.

Hence the point of doing things that are not allowed under innocent passage. Just transiting is not in itself sufficient message

[tomuk]

Yes, but not taking on of weapons or operating aircraft. Or use for PR purposes. Hence why I feel they are making a point

Exactly the point - innocent passage through someone else's territorial waters does not include the right to carry out military exercises or conduct manoeuvres.

Conducting a "first RAS" of munitions is a subtle contravention of both those rules. A kind "grey zone" form of provocation, if you will.

I'm sorry but at want point has the CSG sailed within 12nm of the Chinese coast let alone conducted RAS in the same area? China doesn't own the entire Pacific.

I believe the point in contention is Chinas claims on the nine dash line that extends into other countries borders

The nine dash claim is a load of b***cks. The UNCLOS ruling should be what stands and China should be told to wind its neck in.

Hence the point of doing things that are not allowed under innocent passage. Just transiting is not in itself sufficient message

What 'things'? The Fort Vic Paveway RAS was in the Philippine Sea wasn't it after the South China Sea transit? I recall there was a lull in social media activity between activities around Singapore/Brunei and now in Guam, Japan and Korea.

[Enigmatically]

I'll be honest Tom, I have no idea when the tweets relate to or where they were at the time. But it seems a strange time to start RASing live weapons, so I can only assume it is a message aimed not at us.

[SKB]

PoW is home.

[Ianmb17]

4 F35s embarked on Prince of Wales in September

https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/nava ... pter-oper/

[Tempest414]

Still early days for POW I know. But would love to see her with a Type 45 & 23 plus a airwing of 6 F-35 , 6 Merlin , 4 Chinook and 6 Apache on Joint Warrior this year at the same time as CSG21 being in the Pacific it would be a good message to send that UK can put two carrier groups to sea with robust airwings embark at the same time

[Scimitar54]

For that to be credible, we will have to wait at least until 809 NAS is stood up and operational.

[serge750]

Could be possible for a few days in home waters if they really wanted to with 207sqn pilots for a flying visit

[Scimitar54]

Yes …. For a visit, but that is not a Carrier Air Wing on both QEC and our would be enemies will know the difference.

[Tempest414]

Yes I agree at this time it would mean a short stay of say 2 weeks by 207 on POW to cover Joint Warrior however the rest of the above air group should be able to work longer and if proven in some form a would be enemy would know that both carriers can be surged by both UK and US jets if needed

The article said 4 jets if the rest of above air group of 6 Merlin's , 4 Chinook and 6 Apache could come together along with the 4 jets it would be a good push

[PhillyJ]

Indeed, nipper is looking forward to having 4 F35B embarked, and said that the last 4 days was a good run out with little issues noted throughout the ship.

[seaspear]

Im going off the discussion with this post but previously there were discussions linked to a similar capability needed for the carriers
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/4 ... eed-flight
If these aircraft were feasible and could provide mid air refueling and the absence of large radar detectable rotors in flight could be a template for the RNs needs

[The Armchair Soldier]

Stop-off in South Korea cancelled due to COVID:
https://www.forces.net/news/csg21-covid ... orean-port

[Tempest414]

Im going off the discussion with this post but previously there were discussions linked to a similar capability needed for the carriers
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/4 ... eed-flight

I have to say I like these a lot and they would be great for the UK carriers as well as the RAN's LHD,s for stuff like AEW , AAR and unmanned strike/ CAS maybe if it was the size of fighter with a removable belly pack for different mission packs

[The Armchair Soldier]

Cross-decking with the South Koreans

[Ron5]

Koreans are good people. Never met one (and I've met a lot) that I didn't like. UK would be smart to ally with them.

[Lord Jim]

Plus it will be good for the Korean Carrier proposal by the consortium including Babcock.

[2HeadsBetter]

As Tempest said the other day, some flat-top porn: