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JMSDF P-1 MPA Testing Next Generation Anti-Ship Missile
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Photos taken on February 10, 2020 show a P-1 Maritime Patrol Aircraft (MPA) of the Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force (JMSDF) flying with four new air-to-ship missiles (ASM) which are currently under development.

This ASM is the successor to the Type 91 ASM currently operated by the JMSDF, and is developed based on the Type 17 ship-to-ship missile (SSM), which was developed as a successor to the Type 90 SSM fitted aboard JMSDF destroyers.
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... p-missile/

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a v interesting article, above, thanks for that xav!

This bit (a graph in the article) Evolution / roadmap of Japan Self Defense Forces’ anti-ship missiles (for Air, Ground and Maritime) is really calling for a follow-on piece as Japan has been keenly buying not one, but more foreign solutions
- are these serving as gap fillers, or are they part of the longer term Road Map?
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ArmChairCivvy wrote:a v interesting article, above, thanks for that xav!

This bit (a graph in the article) Evolution / roadmap of Japan Self Defense Forces’ anti-ship missiles (for Air, Ground and Maritime) is really calling for a follow-on piece as Japan has been keenly buying not one, but more foreign solutions
- are these serving as gap fillers, or are they part of the longer term Road Map?
Type 12 variant missiles including this MPA version will serve at least 10 more years. They are cheaper to produce and acquire so, will be used for a long time as a complement to the relatively expensive and small number of foreign and newer missiles.

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Japan to develop and deploy Supersonic Glide Weapons that can target ships
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The Japan Ground Self-Defense Force (JGSDF) plans to deploy a Hyper-Velocity Gliding Projectile (HVGP) in fiscal year 2026 as a new weapon to repel enemies that invade Japan's remote islands, from a safe distance. This HVGP could even target large surface ships such as aircraft carriers.
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... get-ships/

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Possible HVGP inspiration?!


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Asia continues their drive to be far ahead of Europe, leaving us a backwater within a decade or two. When i read articles like this i find it laughable that govt actually has aspirations of being able to deploy a QE BG to this region and play any part in anything that has even the slightest risk of turning hot. These are the sort of things that need to be made clear when the MOD attempts to spin press releases to make abundantly clear us sending ships to any sort of risky situation in that region where all actors are far more prepared for the realities of a conflict in the region would actually make us burden to our allies and leave our ships utterly defenceless without hiding behind others skirt tails in many scenarios. Hows about a few newspaper headlines about how the US, Japan etc won't want us getting under their feet making their jobs harder to counter the usual MOD bullshit. Get the message across, with the budget we have we have to accept all this is far out of our league. We need to stick to what threats we might be able to help with against second rate powers without cowering behind uncle sam's legs. At least embarrass them a little. We got a defence sec who for a while seemed to give me hope we finally had someone who wasn't just a yes man and was prepared to speak out but he was ousted on what seemed to me suspicious circumstances and replaced with a yes ma, who whilst he clearly has been in the forces and offers great understanding, its clear where his loyalties lie. Treasury says no more then we need no more.
Yes, we need to a comprehensive overview starting with govt honestly stating wha they want to be, then work out how much this costs and if we have the balls to pay. If not then start looking at what you're prepared to accept we can no longer do, then be honest and state this, with no punch above our weight bullshit.

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JMSDF Commissioned its 1st Li-Ion Battery Submarine SS-511 JS Ōryū おうりゅう
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The Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force (JMSDF) commissioned its 11th Soryu-class diesel-electric attack submarine (SSK) in Kobe in Hyogo Prefecture on March 5, 2020. JS Ōryū (SS-511) joins the JMSDF’s Submarine Flotilla 1, based in Kure. It is the first-in-class boat to feature lithium-ion batteries.
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... %e3%81%86/

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xav wrote: JS Ōryū
xav wrote:commissioned its 11th Soryu-class diesel-electric attack submarine
xav wrote: JS Ōryū (SS-511)
Just interested as to how does this "S" in the name travel
- as it has always been in the internationally quoted name of the class?
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ArmChairCivvy wrote:
xav wrote: JS Ōryū
xav wrote:commissioned its 11th Soryu-class diesel-electric attack submarine
xav wrote: JS Ōryū (SS-511)
Just interested as to how does this "S" in the name travel
- as it has always been in the internationally quoted name of the class?
"Soryu" is pronounced as "saw ryu".
(I understand "ryu" is difficult, or even impossible, to pronounce for some who live in Europe/America. But "saw" or "sew" is the pronunciation of the first half). It is "Blue dragon".

"Oryu" is pronounced as "owe ryu". It is "Phoenix dragon".

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Totally untried tech in 2015 when the keel was laid
... wonder if that scuppered the chances in the Ozzie competition (as the rqrmnt for a high number of days staying submerged ranked very high)?
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Possibly but then again they went for a design that took an SSN and converted it into a SSK for all intents and purposes, go figure.

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How long is the recharge cord?! :mrgreen:

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Lord Jim wrote:Possibly but then again they went for a design that took an SSN and converted it into a SSK for all intents and purposes, go figure.
I’m sceptical the French can build it as proposed, but I can only hope it dosnt turn into a political football like the early years of the Collins class.
The main benefit of using the French boat was based on endurance and habitability.

The Japanese do not endurance to patrol at distances where as the RAN will travel up to 6000 klm and are after a minimum of 80 at sea.

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JMSDF Commissions First-of-Class AEGIS Destroyer DDG-179 JS Maya まや
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The Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force (JMSDF) commissioned today its first Maya-class AEGIS Destroyer at Japan Marine United Corporation (JMU) Isogo shipyard in Yokohama. JS Maya まや (DDG-179) joins the JMSDF’s Escort Flotilla 1, based in Yokosuka.

Launched on July 30th 2018 from the JMU Shipyard in Yokohama, the JS Maya is the first of a new class of improved destroyers with ballistic missile defense capabilities.
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... %e3%82%84/

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Good as new... the JSI (Japanese Super Interceptor)? For half price of any modern fighter:
US approves $4.5 billion Japanese F-15 upgrade package
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I wonder if after the upgrade they will be wanting in anything else than stealth?

And further: how important is stealth (i.e does it work) in high-and-fast airsuperiority ops?
-of course offensive counter-air also delivers air superiority, but by other means
- peer-to-peer you will need both capabilities, but there are more nations needing to defend their airspace than those that can claim a slot in the 'peer-to-peer matches'
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Japanese destroyer Shimakaze colided with Chinese fishing ship about 650 km west of the japanese island Yakushima.

https://navaltoday.com/2020/03/31/japan ... china-sea/
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ArmChairCivvy wrote:Good as new... the JSI (Japanese Super Interceptor)? For half price of any modern fighter:
US approves $4.5 billion Japanese F-15 upgrade package
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November 1, 2019 in UKDJ

I wonder if after the upgrade they will be wanting in anything else than stealth?

And further: how important is stealth (i.e does it work) in high-and-fast airsuperiority ops?
-of course offensive counter-air also delivers air superiority, but by other means
- peer-to-peer you will need both capabilities, but there are more nations needing to defend their airspace than those that can claim a slot in the 'peer-to-peer matches'
Hmm, considering Japanese neighbours ( China, Russia ), I don't see how could they need anything else than "peer-to-peer" capabilities?
Also, 45+ mil. USD per plane, wouldn't it be better to buy more F-35 or even F-15X? At least, that wouln't be 40 years old aircrafts...
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Japan’s Type 12 SSM Deployed to Keep Watch On Miyako Strait
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Japan continues to reinforce its Southern Islands. A new Type 12 Surface-to-Ship Missile (12式地対艦誘導弾) unit has recently been deployed at the garrison on Miyakojima island.
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The Miyako Strait is about 135 nautical miles wide. The Type 12 deployed in Miyakojima have a range of around 108 nautical miles. A version with double range is under consideration.
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... ko-strait/

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That is going to upset those sensitive Chinese leaders

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Lord Jim wrote:That is going to upset those sensitive Chinese leaders
Might be.
But, from Japan side, it is just a counter-action to their deploying super-long range ballistic anti-ship missiles. Very tiny counter-action, actually.

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do Taiwan have a land based anti ship missile to deploy on there North coast to close the gap

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This is likely to upset the Chinese (leaders and netizens) even more:

The HVGP could eventually target large surface ships such as aircraft carriers, as demonstrated in this video which Naval News obtained exclusively from ATLA, the Acquisition, Technology & Logistics Agency of the Japanese M.O.D.



Glad ATLA could share this with us (they wouldn't use wetransfer... they would only provide it on a "CD ROM" and I had to send a contact living in Tokyo to get it in person at the MOD... :D but at least we got the file in the end)

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