Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

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Nice to see her back safely.....



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PhillyJ wrote:That article regarding PTB's is odd as I have seen them on PWLS and nipper was on one when transferring off for his course. I guess they've been shared between the 2 QE class up to now.
The PTB's in general are odd. The original 4 PTB's were from a design by Alnmaritec and appear to be successful. Quite why PoW's weren't ordered from Alnmaritec and that PoW only needs 3 (not 4) of a different design has never been made clear.

https://www.alnmaritec.co.uk/component/ ... th-carrier

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The Armchair Soldier wrote:COVID has now reached POW:

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-roy ... s-12356546
covid is on every mil base in the country.

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downsizer wrote:
The Armchair Soldier wrote:COVID has now reached POW:

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-roy ... s-12356546
covid is on every mil base in the country.
so I've heard, thankfully not yet in Boatbouse Nbr4, but then we haven't opened up to the public yet, that happens Monday.

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PhillyJ wrote:
downsizer wrote:
The Armchair Soldier wrote:COVID has now reached POW:

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-roy ... s-12356546
covid is on every mil base in the country.
so I've heard, thankfully not yet in Boatbouse Nbr4, but then we haven't opened up to the public yet, that happens Monday.
Pictures please :D

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Timmymagic wrote:
PhillyJ wrote:That article regarding PTB's is odd as I have seen them on PWLS and nipper was on one when transferring off for his course. I guess they've been shared between the 2 QE class up to now.
The PTB's in general are odd. The original 4 PTB's were from a design by Alnmaritec and appear to be successful. Quite why PoW's weren't ordered from Alnmaritec and that PoW only needs 3 (not 4) of a different design has never been made clear.

They only use 3 PTBs. The seventh boat is a spare. The 3 newer boats are much faster, better seakeeping and easier to support.

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I heard that the USS The Sullivans wanted to do a sail past between the 2 QE class...but was talked out of it. :lol:

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(Navy Lookout) 21st July 2021
A basic introduction to some of the non-aviation-related spaces and functioning of the ship. Video: Royal Navy

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Massively impressive.


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And in higher resolution....

(Navy Lookout) 30th July 2021
HMS Queen Elizabeth and Dutch frigate HNLMS Evertsen replenish fuel from RFA Tidespring while F-35s take off from the aircraft carrier during operations in the South China Sea.
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Try that on your CATOBARs !!!

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(U.S. Navy) 31st August 2021
U.S. Marines with Marine Fighter Attack Squadron 211 flying F-35B Lightning II's conduct routine operations aboard HMS Queen Elizabeth while she conducts a double replenishment with Royal Fleet Auxiliary replenishment tanker Tidespring and Royal Netherlands Navy frigate, HNLMS Evertsen in the South China Sea on July 29, 2021. VMFA-211 is attached to the United Kingdom's Carrier Strike Group 21, a UK-led international strike group including support from the U.S. Navy Arleigh Burke guided-missile destroyer USS The Sullivans (DDG 68) and The Royal Netherlands Navy HNLMS Evertsen. A free and open Indo-Pacific region that is peaceful and stable is vital to ensure greater prosperity for the region and the world. (Royal Navy photography by LPhot Unaisi Luke)

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Ron5 wrote:Try that on your CATOBARs !!!
Its the 5 ship RAS we all want to see...

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Better yet, a 6 ship RAS! :mrgreen:

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Finally a shot from the boatyard, working on ST 1502, sanding down the topside and repainting. 8-)


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Britain kowtows to China in the South China Sea
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opin ... -china-sea
They will not say that this was Boris Johnson's finest hour.

The British prime minister, America's nominally closest ally, isn't really that close to America.

That's the only credible assessment to make of Monday's ignominious departure of the country's HMS Queen Elizabeth aircraft carrier strike group from the South China Sea. As I noted on July 23, there was great consequence in what the strike group did or did not do before departing those waters.

After all, China makes outrageous claims to the near entirety of the South China Sea. Rich with energy and fishing stocks, these waters also see more than $3.5 trillion in annual trade flows. China gets the value. In turn, it has constructed a network of artificial islands in the South China Sea. They're not for vacation resorts, but rather for fortresses: China has manned its islands with missile, naval, and air bases. Beijing wants to use these forces to extract political concessions from all those transiting the waters (most of the world's nations). But the impact will be especially significant for regional states such as Vietnam, the Philippines, and Malaysia. China is to the 2020s Pacific rim what Imperial Japan was to the 1930s Pacific rim.

America and Vietnam get it.

So, to challenge China's naked imperialist agenda, the U.S. Navy has conducted regular transits within 12 miles of China's artificial islands. Twelve miles signifies sovereign borders under international law. Unfortunately, no other nation has yet found the moral and strategic fortitude to join America.

That brings us back to Johnson.

At the most recent G-7 summit in June, Johnson pledged to strengthen the U.K.-U.S. special relationship. Johnson even went so far as to revitalize the Atlantic Charter. All of this reflects the prime minister's calculated effort to woo Biden. Johnson wants to retain influence with Washington and mitigate any economic or strategic weakening caused by Britain's separation from the European Union.

But it now appears that Johnson wants to have his cake and eat it. He'll talk a big game and make a big show, but when it comes to China, Johnson is Captain Kowtow.

The Queen Elizabeth strike group did not conduct a 12-mile transit. On Monday, the strike group quietly transited through the Luzon Strait between Taiwan and the Philippines. It is not clear whether the strike group did so in proximity to Taiwan. But considering its failure to conduct a 12-mile transit, that seems unlikely. Regardless, China has won a significant victory. Beijing's primary Western-focused propaganda outlet explicitly warned the British to avoid a 12-mile transit. The Chinese leadership knew that such a transit would show the world that its strategy of economic bribery and coercion had met its limit. Put simply, the world was waking up to the fact that more is at stake with Beijing than the question of short-term investment. Johnson got the message.

Yes, the British government will keep proclaiming its ridiculous mantra that Queen Elizabeth's deployment is "confident but not confrontational." But it's now clear how that mantra translates: "We're obviously not that confident because we defer to China's definition of what constitutes 'confrontational.'"

Johnson is happy to sell critical semiconductor infrastructure to Beijing, but where it matters most, he'll leave America on its own. Washington should and will take note.

There's one last chance for the prime minister to do the right thing. In December, the strike group could conduct a 12-mile transit on its return to Britain. But that will take something Johnson has been unwilling to show thus far — a touch of Churchillian spirit.

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The UK Government is two faced when it comes to China. It says it is appalled over the country's human right record and its disregard for intonations laws, but this often still seem sot be trumped by trade.

China will spin the Queen Elizabeth Carrier Groups avoidance of disputed waters as being a result of them being warned to do so by China, showing the Chinese people the strength of China over a major western power. It will also do little to enhance the prestige of the UK as a "Global Power", for good! It is all well and good showing the flag and talking the talk but you have to have the spine to be willing to walk the walk or you might as well not bother and you end up with a very expansive trade cruise.

Not impressed I must admit.

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A few points
1) The UK MOD & Govt have said consistently for months that they would sail in waters claimed by China, but would not, on QEs first deployment, be especially confrontational
2) They have already sailed in South China sea, much of which is claimed by China, but it is not clear publicly where yet
3) The editor of the Washington Examiner used to be the editor of the Fox News website
4) QE has not yet left the area

So an unreliable source is complaining that the RN hasn't done something that everyone has been saying for months they wouldn't do, for good reasons, when that source doesn't actually know what the RN has done or might yet do.

Not my biggest concern

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Enigmatically wrote:1) The UK MOD & Govt have said consistently for months that they would sail in waters claimed by China, but would not, on QEs first deployment, be especially confrontational
Interesting choice of words. By sailing in any waters claimed by China you are by default being confrontational. I don't think anyone expected the Carrier Group to sail a few miles of one of the artificial islands built by China but they seem to have acted in a way far more conservatively, studiously avoiding any waters that China lay claim to, even a very small 10 mile stretch.

The whole situation with China is at present Political, and so the Carrier Group will go where the Government tells them to rather than it being the prerogative of the groups Commander.

The article maybe from a dubious source but it doesn't mean there is no truth in it. If we disregarded all such articles we would have done so with many of the ones coming out of Syria, Libya, Iran and so on on behalf of opposition groups.

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