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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby SKB » 10 Dec 2019, 11:28

HMS Prince of Wales Commissioning Ceremony - LIVE


1:17:17 - Lady Sponsor (HRH Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall) speech
1:21:30 - CO Captain Darren Huston RN, reads ship's official Commissioning Warrant.
1:26:00 - Cutting the Commissioning Cake. (PoW has FOUR cakes!)

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HMS Prince of Wales has been commissioned into the Fleet today as the largest warship ever built for the nation.

HRH The Duchess of Cornwall, as the ship’s Lady Sponsor, alongside HRH The Prince of Wales, presided over the ceremony at HM Naval Base Portsmouth this morning, to an audience of 2,000 from industry, allies, friends and families.

Commanding Officer, Captain Darren Houston, read the commissioning warrant to the crew and guests gathered in the hangar which will soon house F-35 jets and a variety of helicopters. Among those watching were the First Sea Lord, Admiral Tony Radakin, ambassadors from France and USA, and the commander of the US Sixth Fleet, Vice Admiral Lisa Franchetti.

The iconic White Ensign then replaced the Blue Ensign which has flown since she left Rosyth in September for her initial sea trials. Leading Writer Megan Ryan (27, from Stoke-On-Trent) was granted the honour of raising the new ensign; and youngest sailor, Chef Seth Day (17), cut the commissioning cake with Liesl Houston, the Commanding Officer’s wife.

As we lower the Blue Ensign and raise the White Ensign, this day marks the culmination of over a decade of work by the country’s maritime and ship-building industry who have come together with the Ministry of Defence to deliver this magnificent ship through the Aircraft Carrier Alliance”.

“The men and women of my Ship’s Company have demonstrated significant flexibility, patience and resilience. However, I also want to recognise the wider naval family for their support of our achievements, and I am so pleased that so many of our families and loved ones are able to share this special day with us.”
said Captain Houston.

About 550 VIP guests, 1,400 family and friends of the ship’s company, including guests with connections to the previous HMS Prince of Wales, a battleship sunk on that same date 78 years earlier by Japanese forces in the South China Sea, joined the crew for the ceremony.

Leading Writer Ryan said: “I am lucky enough to have been involved in the commissioning of three ships, but this is the one I will always look back on with exceptional pride. Raising the White Ensign for the first time on HMS Prince of Wales is such a privilege that I will never forget.”

Nearly 7,000 miles away, the crew of HMS Enterprise stopped at the final resting place of HMS Prince of Wales and HMS Repulse last week to hold a memorial service and lower a White Ensign to the remains.

For the whole crew, from the chefs making the cakes to the warrant officers perfecting the drills, there has been a sense of pride in preparing the ship and themselves for this day.

AET Patrick Gauson (30, from Edinburgh) said: “Having been present at HMS Queen Elizabeth’s commissioning, to be involved in HMS Prince of Wales’ as well is an immense honour and privilege. It’s another day in my career that I can look back on with great pride and a sense of achievement.”

AET Sam Ward (21, from York) said: “To be part of such an important day in the ship’s history gives me great pride and it will definitely be an interesting story to regale to the grandkids one day.”

HMS Prince of Wales, which by naval tradition will be referred to in the feminine form despite carrying the title of the male heir apparent, is marginally larger and heavier than her sister.

The carrier is powered by four diesel engines and two gas turbines, run by the 170-strong marine engineering department. They are part of a core ship’s company of about 700 which can swell to more than double that with the addition of personnel from Naval Air Squadrons and Royal Marines.

She departed Rosyth in September and conducted her first sea trials before making her first entry to Portsmouth harbour in mid-November.

More than 10,000 people across the UK have contributed to the delivery of the ship as part of the Aircraft Carrier Alliance, building on the experience they gained in constructing and operating HMS Queen Elizabeth.

HMS Queen Elizabeth has recently returned from her second deployment to the east coast of North America conducting aviation trials with UK F-35 jets and developing her warfighting capabilities. Both carriers are alongside in Portsmouth for routine maintenance and well-earned Christmas leave for their crews before resuming their programmes to reach operational capability.

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

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Postby SKB » 10 Dec 2019, 13:55


(PortsHistDockyard) 10th December 2019
HMS Prince of Wales is being commissioned into the Royal Navy today. Watch live as the White Ensign is raised for the very first time!

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Postby Jensy » 10 Dec 2019, 14:21

SKB wrote:


I daresay we have real budgetary issues with the Royal Navy.

That is either the same cake from QE's commissioning ceremony and they've been keeping the leftovers in a fridge somewhere (conveniently losing the pennant number and shield on the aft island)....

Or else the cake budget can only stretch to half a carrier.... :shock:

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Postby SKB » 10 Dec 2019, 14:45

Jensy wrote:

QE's cake:
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Not the same as the PoW one

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Postby inch » 10 Dec 2019, 15:32

Well that's another 65k tonnes total to add to the fleet and rn say again in article above quote added by skb that pow is larger and heavier than hmsqe ( v slightly) ,but in all seriousness well done everbody getting this ship to this point ,hats off to you all :-)

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Postby PhillyJ » 11 Dec 2019, 00:49

inch wrote:Well that's another 65k tonnes total to add to the fleet and rn say again in article above quote added by skb that pow is larger and heavier than hmsqe ( v slightly) ,but in all seriousness well done everbody getting this ship to this point ,hats off to you all :-)
She is, albeit in a way to show 2 fingers to her older Sister and by not a lot...where else would you expect a younger Sister to be happy about being heavier!

Got to say, having been at the ceremony, we may not be as great a nation as we were once but by God we know how to put on a show. From the RN band to the arrival of Royalty it was a privilege to be a part of it, I know I have a personal link but even now the singing of the The Naval Hymn still brings a tear to the eye having had a Great Grandad perish at Jutland (must be grit in the air)

Taking our side out of the equation, the amount of gold and braid on offer from other country representatives was enough to sink her! I saw US, French, Australian, Canadian, Indian, possibly another Asian nation (sorry not sure) and to top it all off Bear Grylls was there to represent the scouts..possibly! US Ambassador was there, as well as lots of other non-military dignataries with gold chains.

Glad to say my nipper managed to stay upright and not sway for the entire time he was in the Guard, off for a family day later today (Wednesday) although as he and his Guard have been out on drinks since 1800 not sure how well that will go! I have video of his Guard entry and exit but didn't post here because not sure it was wanted. Night all!

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby inch » 11 Dec 2019, 09:17

Well phillyj I'm going to say 4mts longer 2 MTRS wider and 3oz heavier lol :-),one day we might find out

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Postby PhillyJ » 11 Dec 2019, 16:37

inch wrote:Well phillyj I'm going to say 4mts longer 2 MTRS wider and 3oz heavier lol :-),one day we might find out
After last night's shenanighans I reckon she is a lot heavier! Met my nipper, as he was on duty he sent a mate to pick me up from Victory Gate, and he showed me pretty much every nook and cranny of PWLS.

I went to both the bridge and Flyco, got to say I prefer Flyco as what a view, saw the Gash room and machine (what a stink), fo'c'sle, all the boats on port side (so Buccaneer and Swordfish), where my lad stands as a gunner with his GPMG and SA80 (which I got to play with alongside his baton, glock and body armour) a room with lots of CCTV screens and engine monitoring screens (but not the ops room) and as he was on duty I helped him check his allocated Breathing Apparatus was all in place and not tampered with.

He also took me to all the places for best phone coverage and where all the Warfare dept go to hide when they don't want to clean the boat decks!

I've got loads of pics to share...oh no hang on, I forget to take it! :thumbdown:

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Postby Ron5 » 11 Dec 2019, 18:37

inch wrote:Well phillyj I'm going to say 4mts longer 2 MTRS wider and 3oz heavier lol :-),one day we might find out


I read in "someone who ought to know"s tweet yesterday (but I can't remember who) that PoW is 12 feet longer because of the changes for LPH duty plus detailed design changes made for ease of build. No mention of width or weight.

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Postby Ron5 » 11 Dec 2019, 18:48

PhillyJ wrote:
inch wrote:Well phillyj I'm going to say 4mts longer 2 MTRS wider and 3oz heavier lol :-),one day we might find out
After last night's shenanighans I reckon she is a lot heavier! Met my nipper, as he was on duty he sent a mate to pick me up from Victory Gate, and he showed me pretty much every nook and cranny of PWLS.

I went to both the bridge and Flyco, got to say I prefer Flyco as what a view, saw the Gash room and machine (what a stink), fo'c'sle, all the boats on port side (so Buccaneer and Swordfish), where my lad stands as a gunner with his GPMG and SA80 (which I got to play with alongside his baton, glock and body armour) a room with lots of CCTV screens and engine monitoring screens (but not the ops room) and as he was on duty I helped him check his allocated Breathing Apparatus was all in place and not tampered with.

He also took me to all the places for best phone coverage and where all the Warfare dept go to hide when they don't want to clean the boat decks!

I've got loads of pics to share...oh no hang on, I forget to take it! :thumbdown:


I like hearing about and seeing pictures of your lad. I kept the ones you posted before. He's looks like a good kid. It serves as a good reminder to all of us interested in military hardware that it means mothing without the guy or gal that operates it and that its him or her that's putting their life on the line for us. Always gives me a kind of fatherly feeling that's hard to explain.

The son of a good friend of mine joined the army a couple years ago and is based on the east coast in a tough unit with a fine history (I won't name it). He came home last month for Thanksgiving and dropped by for a chat. Really nice kid, just married, very polite and well spoken. He said he was being sent away for his first overseas assignment in the new year. Thinking it would be Korea or Germany, I said that must be exciting, where are you going? Syria. In that moment I knew about 1% of how his mom and dad would feel for the next couple of years.

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Postby Jake1992 » 11 Dec 2019, 18:48

Ron5 wrote:
inch wrote:Well phillyj I'm going to say 4mts longer 2 MTRS wider and 3oz heavier lol :-),one day we might find out


I read in "someone who ought to know"s tweet yesterday (but I can't remember who) that PoW is 12 feet longer because of the changes for LPH duty plus detailed design changes made for ease of build. No mention of width or weight.


There’s been rumours going around for ages that she is slightly larger than QE with some even stating that her full weight is 72,000t odd compared to QEs 70,600t but one thing I can’t see is her being taller all due to the forth bridge, QE only just squeezes under with one radar mast down.

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Postby inch » 11 Dec 2019, 19:18

The only reason I said 2 MTRS wider was because I Def remember captain j Kyd at the time in an interview on the bridge just as about to leave the builders and going to squeeze thru with inches to spare said it was tight with a vessel was 75mtrs wide ,but as we know we is 73mts wide so I'm just guessing he's read the brief and given the 75mts wide of pow ,and 4 MTRS from the lots of articles saying 284mtrs length as well as 280 for qe stated length ,yep weight I've no idea .but great too hear that phillyj a big thumbs up to you both

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Postby bobp » 11 Dec 2019, 21:39

Nice hearing of your visit PhillyJ . I bet you are a proud dad at this time. I went on board QE when she was being built and a lot of areas where of limits. But I enjoyed what I saw. At that time was not allowed to take any pictures and there was so much to take in and so many decks and passages to get lost in. Anyhow hope your lad gets some quality time at home before her next trials.

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Postby PhillyJ » 11 Dec 2019, 22:51

Thanks all, there were a lot of 'muggy' headed matelots wandering around today as apparently the Capt had popped in to the Ship & Castle where a number of them were meeting after the commissioning, he then put some money down for drinks as a thank you to them all and left. The Capt also stated in his thank you speech today that next year they will be out again in Feb for Sea trials and a visit to affiliated city of Liverpool is confirmed, sometime around Feb/March. Further sea trials in Autumn, before home for Christmas...also mention of Westlant21 for PWLS.

The one thing I noted whilst walking around is how friendly and approachable the officers were to all level of ratings, not saying there was not respect from AB's up but they actually asked how are you etcetc. Whilst walking through the maze of corridors and ladders an officer would often ask my nipper how he was doing, having a good day and I would assume he knew my Son...when I asked him who that was he said no idea! He has often said that it is a very happy ship, and to top it all off HRH The Prince of Wale, via a letter to the 1st Sea Lord, has expressed his thanks and commended the crew for the ceremony and advised that they can " Splice the mainbrace ". Unfortunately this will be carried out sometime in the New Year and not whilst I was there! :lol:

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Postby PhillyJ » 11 Dec 2019, 23:08

Sorry for the multi updates, shut me up if I get too much!

I did notice walking around that now and again there were certain doors with a Stars and Stripes picture stating that there were certain things within these rooms that were also under US restrictions and therefore different T&C's for normal procedure, of all those I saw these rooms were all off limits to the general public.

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Postby Ron5 » 12 Dec 2019, 00:55

PhillyJ wrote:Sorry for the multi updates, shut me up if I get too much!

I did notice walking around that now and again there were certain doors with a Stars and Stripes picture stating that there were certain things within these rooms that were also under US restrictions and therefore different T&C's for normal procedure, of all those I saw these rooms were all off limits to the general public.


They would be for the Jack Daniels :D

My pal flew F-8's off carriers during Vietnam, he said all pilots kept a bottle or two in their desks despite USN ships being dry. I'm sure you've all heard that when hooked up to heart rate monitors Navy Pilots showed more stress landing on the carriers than during combat.

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Postby PhillyJ » 12 Dec 2019, 13:39

A few pics from the day, the bell is the one rescued from the KGv battleship PWLS (thanks to the NMRN for supplying it for the day), they have created an exact replica via 3D scanning and had it made from the original furnaces to keep on our PWLS whilst she is in servce.
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Postby bobp » 12 Dec 2019, 15:47

PhillyJ wrote:A few pics from the day,


Its obvious who the lad looks like. You must be overflowing with pride after your day.

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Postby serge750 » 12 Dec 2019, 18:31

Really busy 2020 for both the carriers then... :clap: thanks savetheroyalnavy for the info



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Postby Lord Jim » 12 Dec 2019, 22:47

Well that was quite an optimistic agenda laid out up to and including CSG 21, though the air group for the latter is decidedly underwhelming with 16 F-35 and 8 Merlins, plus any additional assets the USMC may wish to bring along.

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Lord Jim wrote:Well that was quite an optimistic agenda laid out up to and including CSG 21, though the air group for the latter is decidedly underwhelming with 16 F-35 and 8 Merlins, plus any additional assets the USMC may wish to bring along.


Why is it underwhelming?

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Lord Jim wrote:Well that was quite an optimistic agenda laid out up to and including CSG 21, though the air group for the latter is decidedly underwhelming with 16 F-35 and 8 Merlins, plus any additional assets the USMC may wish to bring along.


No, 8 BRITISH F-35Bs is the underwhelming part.

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Postby SKB » 13 Dec 2019, 14:39


(ForcesTV) 12th December 2013
Prince Charles and the Duchess of Cornwall have attended the commissioning ceremony for HMS Prince of Wales. The aircraft carrier is the second Queen Elizabeth-class ship, after HMS Queen Elizabeth, and cost £3.1 billion. The Chaplain of the Fleet led the ceremony in Portsmouth.


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