Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

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Which Anti-Ship Missile Should be Selected for the Type 26?

Lockheed Martin LRASM
164
52%
Kongsberg NSM
78
25%
Boeing Harpoon Next Gen
44
14%
MBDA Exocet Blk III
21
7%
None (stick to guided ammo and FASGW from Helicopters)
8
3%
 
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I think it would be a part of any negotiation of the Scottish nation leaving the uk, eg keeps our nukes in scotland until the T26 has been completed for example

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Without going into specifics (and exposing them), BAe has to plan for disruption to delivery schedule within the contract. MoD rules preclude production outwith the UK. As a result, they have to secure delivery of long lead items and ensure stability if the logistics train. Also, IP of warship and materials engineering is tightly regulated as a sovereign capability. This would jot be allowed to remain in an independent Scotland.

The same applies for Babcock, Selex/Leonardo, SubSea Systems, Raytheon UK, and Honeywell, all of whom are based in Scotland. These companies have all publicly stated they would have to move operations to elsewhere in the UK. If NatWest is prepared to state they would move from Edinburgh, then this should be no surprise.

As for the deterrent, this would have to move immediately for sovereign reasons. There are plans already in place (and have been for years) to move senescent nuclear hulls to an English facility for decommissioning, if this is required. As for SNatzis, this should come as no surprise, it is an unfortunate truth they like to avoid or'have no recollection'. They cannot argue against their own policy of onshoring naval production within the UK (Scotland) due to the fuss they created over the Tide class, and FSS. Their incompetence extends to the farcical nationalisation of the Port Glasgow Yard and ferry fiasco. Whether you trust this source is up to you. It is time the Scottish electorate wakes up to the economic wasteland we will become as an independent non-Barnett protected socialist dictatorship, where expressing your views may offend someone, and result in your prosecution. As a proud Scot and British citizen, I hang my head in shame at what has become of my country.

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It is time the Scottish electorate wakes up to the economic wasteland we will become as an independent non-Barnett protected socialist dictatorship, where expressing your views may offend someone, and result in your prosecution. As a proud Scot and British citizen, I hang my head in shame at what has become of my country.

Love the way you put it, but it will be a shame for us all in the Britain if you guys leave

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jimthelad wrote:Without going into specifics (and exposing them), BAe has to plan for disruption to delivery schedule within the contract. MoD rules preclude production outwith the UK. As a result, they have to secure delivery of long lead items and ensure stability if the logistics train. Also, IP of warship and materials engineering is tightly regulated as a sovereign capability. This would jot be allowed to remain in an independent Scotland.
Sure, but Scotland doesn't become independent the second that it votes to secede. There'd be a couple of years of negotiations on the division of assets and liabilities to get through for a start.

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Pseudo wrote:Sure, but Scotland doesn't become independent the second that it votes to secede. There'd be a couple of years of negotiations on the division of assets and liabilities to get through for a start.
I'm a passionate unionist, born and raised in England with a Scottish grand father, and believe that independence would be a disaster for both the UK and Scotland.

However I think that a second referendum is now far more likely than not. And if independence is voted for the transition should be as short a period as possible - months not years, and weeks if possible.

Any protracted negotiations just gives the SNP chance to stoke the grievances, claim they're being blackmailed, held to ransom, that democracy isn't being respected.

It gives them an opportunity to shape the narrative that when things go horribly wrong it's because of the UK and unionist plotters. Anyone but them.

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Oh sorry, is this the Type 26 forum?

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Rant over.

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Deleted the last three posts. Let's leave the indy discussion there and stick to Type 26 news from here onwards.

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New lighting for the T26...



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In other words beyond Sea Ceptor and the FC/ASW, there is nothing planned or funded at present, though it is probably more like no funding so we haven't thrown any resources at it yet.

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Lord Jim wrote: probably more like no funding
Who ever answers can't hop thru the Main Gate loop before that has actually happened
- 'lying' to the Parliament, ie. they say X but it won't happen (exc. if first confirmed, and then cancelled) then that could be career ending

The nature of these questions is more predicated on what the answer does NOT say, rather than what it does (banalities, in the main)
Ever-lasting truths: Multi-year budgets/ planning by necessity have to address the painful questions; more often than not the Either-Or prevails over Both-And.
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Exactly, the answer did not say the ship would only be armed with ...

A distinction that other blogs & forums have totally missed.

PS not called Main Gate anymore, they've come up with a bunch of different names. Can't be bothered to go find what they are, they'll change again.

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oh well more highly paid consultants have obviously been busy rebranding and renaming everything so it appears that the MoD is modernising without actually upsetting anyone's plans or pensions, or at least at the top.

AS for what the Navy is going to fill the MK41 silos with, well given how long current MoD procurement programmes take I think the Navy had better actually start seriously thing about this issue and start putting out some RFIs. Do we want a stand off ASW Torpedo system? Is TLAM an actual option? Are we still willing to put all out capability aspiration into the FC/ASW basket for ASuW and Land attack instead of TLAM? Are we going to look at a cheaper AShM to compliment the FC/ASW in the ASuW?

We may be looking at seven years until the first T-26 is commissioned, but it would be nice for once for the Powers That BE to actually get ahead of things and have the fillers for the MK41 already chosen, tested and reading to simply load up when the White Ensign is raised.

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I would imagine that the Storm Shadow replacement would be a prime candidate in both of its roles. I can imagine why that would not be proclaimed right now.

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Latest from t26 stable....


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Big innit??

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Ron5 wrote:Big innit??
Enormous !!!!!

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Some new pictures of HMS Glasgow


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"Fresh air" and "Glasgow" in the same sentence. Answer to questions in the category of "What don't you ever see?".

Mind you, the light is superb.

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Any of our Glaswegian contributors able to share content?

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/193 ... ree-today/


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That's an excellent job. Well done the Herald :thumbup:

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HMS Glasgow has a unusual visitor...


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In their FY2022 budget USN has cancelled all future funding for the development of the Gun Launched Guided Projectile, formally the High Velocity Projectile, it had been envisaged a 5" variant would be developed for the USN BAE Inc MK45 5"/62 main gun as fitted to the T26 with is new automated magazine. MK45 fires the standard US 70 lb 5" shell to ~ max 13nm range.

Remember discussion at time if the Italian OTO Melara 127/64 would have been the better buy (the Canadians choice for the CSC) with its Ammunition Handling System (AAHS), which can fire the Vulcano 127mm shells, both in the Guided Long Range (GLR) and the Ballistic Extended Range (BER) versions.

Long range shells expensive and involve trade off in high explosive content for weight of rocket motor and electronics but expect useful option to have on occasions, as always targeting BVLOS problematic.

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/4 ... -in-budget

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