Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

[xav]

for ya all infomartion:

Lockheed Martin Demonstrates LRASM Launch Capability from Topside Canister

Lockheed Martin successfully conducted the first-ever launch of the Long Range Anti-Ship Missile (LRASM) surface-launch variant from a topside canister. The flight test, at White Sands Missile Range, New Mexico, proved the missile’s ability to conduct an angled launch from the newly designed topside canister, replicating a ship-launched environment. During the test, the LRASM, its Mk-114 booster and booster adapter ejected cleanly from the topside launcher using the same launch control and launch sequencer software currently employed by the Mk-41 Vertical Launch System (VLS).

http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.ph ... ister.html

[seaspear]

The T26 proposed for the R.A.N Sea5000 is very likely to use ceafar2 in preference to the U.S AEGIS giving it some advanced abilities in electronic warfare, not usually discussed as a requirement for escorts and such ,I don,t know if the R.N has such plans for the T26 in its fleet ,but I would believe the U.S.N would find that useful ,certainly the ship has the ability to be customised to requirements of whichever particular navy and I would believe if the D.O.D got some rights to the T26 for its use it would be a very different ship

[Pymes75]

More ship porn:

[R686]

The T26 proposed for the R.A.N Sea5000 is very likely to use ceafar2 in preference to the U.S AEGIS giving it some advanced abilities in electronic warfare, not usually discussed as a requirement for escorts and such ,I don,t know if the R.N has such plans for the T26 in its fleet ,but I would believe the U.S.N would find that useful ,certainly the ship has the ability to be customised to requirements of whichever particular navy and I would believe if the D.O.D got some rights to the T26 for its use it would be a very different ship

The T26 proposed for the R.A.N Sea5000 is very likely to use ceafar2 in preference to the U.S AEGIS giving it some advanced abilities in electronic warfare, not usually discussed as a requirement for escorts and such ,I don,t know if the R.N has such plans for the T26 in its fleet ,but I would believe the U.S.N would find that useful ,certainly the ship has the ability to be customised to requirements of whichever particular navy and I would believe if the D.O.D got some rights to the T26 for its use it would be a very different ship

There is an agreement in place between Australia and the US in regards to scalable small ship radar using CEA Tech as a baseline. Hunting-Ingalls also proposed a variant of the NSC as a patrol frigate using the Anzac ASMD upgrade as a basis for the patrol frigate


http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/aus ... dar-01055/

http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-bu ... navy-19020

The original "National Patrol Frigate" concept had an AN/SPY-1F air-defense radar but by 2012 the PF4921 was being shown with an Australian CEAFAR radar.

https://alchetron.com/National-Security ... -3817766-W

[ArmChairCivvy]

The T26 proposed for the R.A.N Sea5000 is very likely to use ceafar2 in preference to the U.S AEGIS giving it some advanced abilities in electronic warfare

The radar was a given to all bidders, but AEGIS as a CMS (with this different radar integrated) is not out of contention.

[ArmChairCivvy]

DID uses the "stare" function in the above link

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/aus ... dar-01055/
differently from the convention. Normally it means this " also provides improved search and targeting capabilities against very fast, maneuvering targets like modern supersonic anti-ship missiles" where the switch from search to targeting is accomplished by taking x nodes of the total y and concentrating them and additional energy to that focussed task (releasing the "resource" back to the general use after the short duration of such tasks).

[ArmChairCivvy]

RE the third link, the NSC frigate derivative did not make it into the finals of the (more ASW focussed) frigate competition.

However the reason why I though it would be a good basis for our T31 design is brought up
"Patrol Frigate 4921 is a more radical redesign with a crew of 141, adding weapons and sensors at the expense of reducing range from 12,000 nautical miles (22,000 km) to 8,000 nautical miles (15,000 km)" which also nicely illustrates the degree of difference between an OPV and a warship
- you stuff it full of weapons
- endurance comes down by a third and crew goes up (being the most expensive over-the-life component of warship costs)

Wrong thread, sorry, but being able to quote cross-thread would help, to carry the conversation over without losing the trail of it

[Spinflight]

The US coast guard tubs are, unusually given their role, properly built warships. Though lightly armed ones.

Doesn't however mean that a cutter would make a good frigate.

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[ArmChairCivvy]

properly built warships

90 % (to that standard)

Doesn't however mean that a cutter would make a good frigate.

Why not?
" adding weapons and sensors at the expense of reducing range from 12,000 nautical miles (22,000 km) to 8,000 nautical miles (15,000 km). It adds a 12-cell Mk56 VLS launcher for ESSM air-defense missiles, just behind the main gun which is upgraded from 57mm to a 76 mm Super Rapid. Two quad launchers for Harpoon (missile) anti-ship missiles and a triple launcher for torpedoes are added to the stern. It retains the SeaRAM/Phalanx CIWS and 6 machine guns of other NSC variants. The stern is closed in and houses a towed-array sonar; there is a hull sonar for mine countermeasures and an ESM suite.[... andd] an Australian CEAFAR radar."
- LRASM tube launchers are bigger; settle for two twin launchers instead of "Two quad launchers"?

[seaspear]

Is there room for a rotary unit to be housed?

[ArmChairCivvy]

Is there room for a rotary unit to be housed?

Aplenty

[ArmChairCivvy]

If you want to extend "patrolling" close to shore, over coral reefs into such lagoons, into mangrove lined river deltas
... carry two of these on the next (lower) deck towards the aft:
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-UWK1oCJyZ-E/ ... 0+AMOS.jpg

[seaspear]

Now if you could stretch the upper deck for two and house them you would have a more capable asw vessel

[The Armchair Soldier]

A new video from BAE Systems:

[Cooper]

Jesus, anyone would think we're getting a fleet of 30 ships watching that...

How many will be available at any one time? 3,4 at most.

[abc123]

Jesus, anyone would think we're getting a fleet of 30 ships watching that...

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[donald_of_tokyo]

A new video from BAE Systems:

Thanks! Have enjoyed it. Some comments:

With all the details in "real position", it looks very impressive.

T26-1.jpg

Then, I was interested in the CAMM launcher. And, estimated its size. The 24-cell (6x4) rear launcher covers 2.96x9.84 m region. Each 6-cell unit needs 2.96x9.84m, while the system itself is 2.52x1.94m area.

T26-6.jpg

My estimation of the 6-cell SeaMICA launcher size is 2.7x2.6m area (not so accurate). Not much different.

I am a bit sad T26 did not adopt ExLS quad pack. But, positively let's think is as a future growth margin. Maybe, in future, if needed, if money is available, 24+24 cell CAMM VLS can be converted into 192-cell system, with 96 CAMM and 96 SPEAR3....

[Ron5]

If the RFI from the USN for a new frigate reveals anything, it shows the US is still undecided about what type of frigate it wants.

That's what an RFI is i.e. a request for ideas & suggestions around broad themes.

[Ron5]

a nagging problem with the current classes of small surface combatants

What classes are those?

[Ron5]

The front runner for the US frigate program will be the ingalls proposal based on the nation security cutter currently used by the US coast guard. The pfi reads almost like it's sales brochure.

Nope.

Front runner is a modified LCS.

[ArmChairCivvy]

The U.S. Navy wants a frigate that can keep up [1st] with the aircraft carrier — a nagging problem with the current classes of small surface combatants

"Keep up" has two components to it: speed and endurance. After the Perries, how many classes are there of such (if you don't count the two parallel streams under one acronym as separate classes).

[Ron5]

There's not been any small classes that would contribute to a CTG therefore the point is moot.

[ArmChairCivvy]

he U.S. Navy wants a frigate that can keep up [1st] with the aircraft carrier — a nagging problem with the current classes of small surface combatants

Let's read the sentence backwards: a nagging problem caused by none of the smaller ships being of blue water design, and specifically, lacking in endurance
... therefore you cannot observe it (clearly?) and the problem is far from moot. And it follows, surprisingly , they want a frigate that can... and so on and so forth.

[Ron5]

I think we're saying the same thing in our own ways

[matt00773]

Interesting comments during a press conference in Australia involving UK's Michael Fallon and Australia's Christopher Pyne:

"Two companies have already been awarded work and I expect a dozen other Australian companies to be involved in that supply chain, producing the British frigate, whether or not the Australian government chooses the Type 26 design for their frigate," Sir Michael stated.

But Australia's Minister for Defence Industry Christopher Pyne refused to be drawn on which bidder was currently leading the race.

"I can't comment on that tender process," Pyne explained, "More generally I can say that the Indian and Pacific oceans will see more than 50 per cent of the world's submarines operating in this region by the 2030s. so antisubmarine warfare is a really important priority for this government.

https://www.defenceconnect.com.au/marit ... -at-aukmin

Fallon also announced that there would be an announcement on the Type 26 in the next few weeks - but did not mention if this was in relation to Australia.