Tempest414 wrote:No not really the MOD and the RN know that Rosyth need to work up. By keeping type 31 simple yet with a lot growth Rosyth get building by the time ship number six is ready to start they should be up to speed also the type 23 life ex should be done allowing space for the type 31's to go in for upgrade
The T23's will be decommissioning at the same rate that the T31's will be commissioning so escort availability is likely to be very similar.
If the plan is to give the T31's major upgrades at the point when work on the first T32 is commencing (around 2026) it is worth also considering what other build programmes will be in progress at that time.
1. At least £2.5bn will need to have been found for the T32 programme which should begin construction in 2026.
2. The £1.5bn FSS programme should be underway with hull 1 under construction and at least steel cut on hull 2.
3. The T26 build programme will be well advanced with HMS Glasgow commissioning and another 5 hulls under construction. At least £2.6bn will have had to be found for the second batch (hulls 4, 5 & 6) and also the third batch (hulls 7 and 8) for another £1.7bn or £2.6bn if hull 9 is ordered. This is relying on the fact that Batch 2 and 3 are not altered, improved or upgraded which would cost more.
4. The MRSS build programme will be commencing with perhaps six £300m+ vessels split between two £1bn batches of three vessels.
5. SSN plus SSBN builds continue as scheduled hopefully on budget.
6. The River Class Batch 1 will also require replacement around the mid 2020's. Lots of options but another 3 OPV's would likely cost £300m to £400m.
7. The much heralded Multi Role Research Vessel should be commissioned and fully with perhaps a second to follow. A budget of 300m+ would seem realistic for the first vessel.
This is a highly ambitious build programme, a substantial amount of which is currently unfunded. Going on the MoD's historical track record there is a very high likelihood that these programme will be cut, possibly quite severely. The first thing that will happen is programmes will be delayed, then hull numbers will be reduced and finally FFBNW items will never materialise.
It must be remembered that the T31's are replacing the T23 GP's they are NOT replacing the RB1's. The addition of the two LRG's have changed everything. The rationale for the flag waving T31's is now obsolete. If the T31's are to be upgraded starting in 2026 something else will get binned, such as the 3 OPV replacements or one of the MRSS vessels.
This is the reason IMO that the extra £200m must be found NOW to ensure the T31's are credible escorts from the outset.