SW1 wrote:Was Essex storm not 9 chinook and 6 Puma?

yes it was but in war time this would needed to go up. As for the IR it states 1 x Air mobile brigade and a Ranger regiment so add the 3rd Battalion Gurkha's to 16X and the Rangers into the mix you would have the division I laid out

Merlin won the competition for the US Presidential transport helo. The Minuteman guarding config was much more interesting BTW The RAF hate Merlin. 99% because it's a navy machine ... and that has by now been settled to the mutual satisfaction of both parties While the Merlin replacement is yonks (...

However the Brigade will never have enough vertical lift to move more than a couple of Company sized battlegroups, This is why we need to maintain 60 Chinook and add 50 + AW-149's with the brigade being given in war time 25 of each plus 4 A400m's plus one Sqn of Apache. The brigade should also have...

However the Brigade will never have enough vertical lift to move more than a couple of Company sized battlegroups, This is why we need to maintain 60 Chinook and add 50 + AW-149's with the brigade being given in war time 25 of each plus 4 A400m's plus one Sqn of Apache. The brigade should also have...

I watched that video a few days ago and it is informative. There does appear to be some common ground between their ideas and ours, but as usual their have been far better thought through and resourced. They have also retained their Heavy Armoured and Mechanised formations, as well as having far fe...

Before the summer... as has been promised (more detail of the BCTs), it wll be interesting to see how our two bdes (air mobile and air combat) will compare (perhaps with the Ranger Rgmnt thrown in) with the joint German-Dutch Division: As things stand now 16X has about 6200 troops and the French 11...

once dismounted the 60mm should be given to Platoons these could be carried on a rack inside or out side the vehicle and gives a Platoon a 3 km range for me the 81mm is coming to the end of the line it lacks the range now 120mm is becoming more wide spreed and is to heavy and unwieldy to be man port...

Well, yes, but, call me conservative and old fashioned, but one company can fight just in one small area, so 7 km range is far longer than they can realisticly have the need to shoot. I mean, company's enemy is behind/on top of the next hill, not in third village away. A company on its own is on th...

With new mlrs and hopefully new 155 guns for the heavy units perhaps its worth asking is 105mm guns what the lighter forces require for the roles they going to be doing. As mentioned with acc on another thread is it perhaps time they looked to loitering munitions for the future. This will depend on...

I think it comes down to what we want to do. If we take the Warrior as the bench mark i.e a armoured vehicle that can carry 7 troops onto the battle field dismount them and offer fire support out to 2000 meters when not moving with its 30mm cannon. Then we can now use Boxer to carry 8 troops onto th...

Or just ask ATK if it could add the PGK's to our 105 rounds

Lord Jim wrote:

Tempest414 wrote:105mm gun with PGK's = 20km

Where are these coming from? Will these fit the bespoke Light Gun ammunition?

The PGK tests on the 105mm round were carried out on the M927 round from a M119A1 gun or as we know it the L118 light gun

Puma going now to make way for AW-149 will help keep Yeovil going until Merlin replacement around 2035

from the video all 21 helicopters were used in the first wave and then came back to move a second wave Not bad going but a way short of 35. I agree however at the start of this I was only putting forward what could be done if we had say 55 Chinooks and 50 Aw-149's and we now have seen what has been...

For me the prefect mix for Boxer at Battalion level is 20 x APC's with 12.7mm + 1 Javelin RWS 20 x APC's with 30mm Venom RWS 20 x APC's with 40mm GMG RWS 20 x CVR's Turreted 40mm with 2 Javelin 9 x Nemo 120mm mortar = 89 Boxers this allows each company to have 6 APC with 12.7mm + 1 Javelin 5 APC wit...

About right, rather than focussing on what to buy: - 4 platoons with protected mobility - 4 direct fire weapons (on the 'same-ish platform') - 3 indirect fire weapons (to act as a battery) or, any one of them doing some bunker busting in direct fire -mode.. this is where a Griffon buy would let you...

This is what I said up thread that when talking about 16X or the RM if they are given 120 mm mortar =10km , 105mm gun with PGK's = 20km and Hero 120 = 40km this along with Javelin and Apache allows them highly mobile hard hitting kit from 2 to 40km's

SKB wrote:Isn't there a Future Vertical Lift Programme thread you could discuss this all in rather than a Puma helicopter thread?

But Puma took part in Wessex storm

and talking about it replacement in context is fine

So to follow on from above as said if we were to buy 150 Archer guns the there would be enough for 3 full time regiments and one reserve regiment with the 3rd getting 2 full time regiments and the 1st one allowing the reserves to back up were needed. with each regiment having 36 guns each brigade in...

Where I differ from others is that although I can see the benefits of having three Divisions of three Brigades each, I cannot see us having more than one fighting Division, We have 1.5 fighting division now with the 3rd and 16X as seen in Wessex Storm the 2 Para battle group is good to go For me th...

from the video all 21 helicopters were used in the first wave and then came back to move a second wave

topman wrote:When was the last time any country used 35 helicopters in one go?

So looking back in 2010 on the Feb 13 90 Chinooks plus supporting helicopters were used in operation Moshtarak

It was 9 Chinook , 6 Puma , 4 Apache and 2 Wildcats so 21 helicopters there were also 3 A400 and a C-130 used for Para drop and resupply

As I have said in the past I would like to see 50 AW-149's with 10 based at Middle Wallop and rest at Benson the AW-149 with its 2.75 ton under slung lond capability can carry a L-118 gun or other stores in support. 20 AW-149's and 15 Chinooks should be able to move a Battalion in one lift and then...

however to have 4 at the ready and 2 relocating... not the best combo for constantly moving well you could have 3 firing and 3 moving or 2 firing 2 moving and 2 reloading Plus with both divisions having 54 guns that would be 108 guns and if we got 150 gun systems there would be enough for a reserve...