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- 05 May 2023, 15:02
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: Type 32 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
- Replies: 553
- Views: 112726
Re: Type 32 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
[In short, it looks very top-heavy. May be it needs to extend the width? If not, I'm almost sure that it cannot meet the RN center-of-gravity standard, which is much strict than that of other NATO nations. I agree, a beam adjustment would correct it but that means a clean sheet of paper. The simple...
- 05 May 2023, 13:30
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: Type 32 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
- Replies: 553
- Views: 112726
Re: Type 32 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
So when I look at this it is slightly bigger Absalon with 2 x Palfigar slipway systems and what I have been saying for 6 months or more Is it bigger? I don’t think so, its displacement is larger but it measures 139m LOA with a beam around 20m if my calculations are correct. C9AB0963-2B73-4FEF-BE60-...
- 05 May 2023, 08:33
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: Current & Future Escorts - General Discussion
- Replies: 19147
- Views: 7058051
- 04 May 2023, 21:09
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: Type 31 Frigate (Inspiration Class) [News Only]
- Replies: 8470
- Views: 2143138
- 04 May 2023, 21:08
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: Type 32 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
- Replies: 553
- Views: 112726
Re: Type 32 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
IMHO, BAE ASF have a better ship design compared to the initial presentation of MRCV. Is it a design or just some pretty pictures? The MRCV looks very much like a IH/Absalon hybrid so the hull is in the water and well tested. That should reduce the design costs massively. Personally I think both de...
- 04 May 2023, 20:54
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: Type 31 Frigate (Inspiration Class) [News Only]
- Replies: 8470
- Views: 2143138
Re: Type 31 Frigate (Inspiration Class) [News Only]
Might be an opportunity for RN to amend the contract if four T31 and six T32 is preferred to 5 of each. For what purpose? ……Five T31 build is "on track", but just lack money. Can’t agree. The T31 programme is in trouble. If the extra costs are purely inflationary then it’s no problem but ...
- 04 May 2023, 17:08
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: Type 32 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
- Replies: 553
- Views: 112726
Re: Type 32 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Very interesting development and if this is the basis for the T32 it certainly won’t be in £250m ballpark. It appears to to have 5 mission spaces plus the hanger. - An aft mission area capable of embarking two 10m - 15m craft plus a central palfinger launch recovery system if desired over the double...
- 04 May 2023, 16:25
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: Type 31 Frigate (Inspiration Class) [News Only]
- Replies: 8470
- Views: 2143138
Re: Type 31 Frigate (Inspiration Class) [News Only]
In someways HMG have to suck this up as both BAE and Babcock are in this storm due to HMG and MOD dragging there feet over Type 23 replacement Demonstrates clearly the importance of small batches within classes and speedy build schedules. Might be an opportunity for RN to amend the contract if four...
- 04 May 2023, 15:56
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: Type 32 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
- Replies: 553
- Views: 112726
Re: Type 32 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
With OMTs involvement could this be the basis for the T32? https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/naval-warfare/imdex-2023-embargoed-singapore-shares-mrcv-design-details/ A bit more here: https://www.janes.com/amp/imdex-2023-singapore-to-replace-corvettes-with-frigate-sized-ships-under-mrcv-programme/Zn...
- 03 May 2023, 17:50
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: Type 31 Frigate (Inspiration Class) [News Only]
- Replies: 8470
- Views: 2143138
Re: Type 31 Frigate (Inspiration Class) [News Only]
Did anyone seriously expect Babcock to build five T31s for £1.25bn? It was never going to happen. The T31 project won’t be allowed to fail so the big question now is how much will the program REALLY cost? It’s likely any overspend will eat into the T32 budget from 2026-2032 and reduce the likelihood...
- 02 May 2023, 20:08
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
- Replies: 5411
- Views: 1420873
Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Before everyone starts panicking about the NSBS, Don’t panic! Your point is well made but looking at the 30yr pipeline in the NSBS quite a few of the orders for the vessels listed have gone to foreign yards already. https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachme...
- 02 May 2023, 09:59
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: River Class (OPV) (RN)
- Replies: 5411
- Views: 1420873
Re: River Class (OPV) (RN)
Not RN related but a useful addition in the Falklands to work alongside HMS Forth.
- 01 May 2023, 20:00
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: Type 32 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
- Replies: 553
- Views: 112726
- 30 Apr 2023, 20:32
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
- Replies: 5985
- Views: 1500827
- 30 Apr 2023, 20:28
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
- Replies: 5985
- Views: 1500827
Re: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
Do we need yet another separate unit doing it especially if we have fwd deployed units who could do it. It seems like another muddle to me. On the one hand the Rangers are going to be a deeply embedded SF unit taking risks other conventional units would not be allowed to take with Allies and partne...
- 30 Apr 2023, 20:09
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: Type 32 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
- Replies: 553
- Views: 112726
Re: Type 32 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
…who said it would cost £2.5bn plus?? I did. BAE has said the basic hull cost for the ASF is £250m to £300m. That’s before any weapons or sensors are added plus the propulsion setup could be one of a number of things. Based on that £500m per unit is extremely plausible. T31 has a budget of £2bn and...
- 30 Apr 2023, 19:43
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
- Replies: 5985
- Views: 1500827
- 30 Apr 2023, 19:39
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
- Replies: 5985
- Views: 1500827
Re: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
From memory, the initial proposal for a LSS was to add aviation facilites and a hangar to one of the Bays. I believe that currently it is the Argus that is having it's hangar and aviaition facilities upgraded - do we know how much is the cost of doing so, how much more time it will take etc?? Argus...
- 30 Apr 2023, 18:44
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
- Replies: 5985
- Views: 1500827
Re: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
….a similar route to the Rangers Or should Rangers actually be doing what 3Cdo Bde used to do? What the Rangers are doing is great but I’m not convinced it should be the Rangers doing it. For example, could the Rangers be leading in the Arctic, specialising in mountain warfare rather than RM? Getti...
- 30 Apr 2023, 14:59
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: Type 32 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
- Replies: 553
- Views: 112726
Re: Type 32 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
That doesn’t make sense, don’t stop start a production run, the hardest thing to do is get the production up and running and into service, just keep going building type 31s. How many do you intend tying up due to a lack of crew? If Rosyth is to survive it will have to chop and change between classe...
- 30 Apr 2023, 14:50
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
- Replies: 5985
- Views: 1500827
Re: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
Do we want to lose our global amphib capability ? No but D-Day Mk2 isn’t happening either so realistically what will ever be used in a REAL conflict, not just an exercise. What the IR will throw up in terms of the FCF is nothing as it is still in play After how many years now? The transition of RM ...
- 30 Apr 2023, 14:08
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: Type 32 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
- Replies: 553
- Views: 112726
Re: Type 32 General Purpose Frigate [News Only]
Opinions, Scrap it before it costs any money. It will cost £2.5bn plus. Much better uses for that money (if it even exists.) - Build 8x T31GPs, 57mm, 2x 40mm, 24 CAMM, 8x NSM and add 2150. Budget £1.75bn for the 3 extra hulls plus upgrades for original 5 hulls. - Build 5 High Capacity OPVs based on...
- 29 Apr 2023, 20:50
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
- Replies: 5985
- Views: 1500827
Re: Current & Future Amphibious Capability - General Discussion
What is a properly implemented FCF concept? Do 3Cdo even know what this is, because I sure as hell do not! Nearly 2 years after the Royal Marines biggest reorganisation since WW2 no one appears to be 100% what has changed? Simple questions have not been adequately answered: 1: What does the structu...
- 29 Apr 2023, 12:00
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: Type 31 Frigate (Inspiration Class) [News Only]
- Replies: 8470
- Views: 2143138
Re: Type 31 Frigate (Inspiration Class) [News Only]
I agree, it is like platforms in car manufacturing the more cars built on the same architecture the cheaper it gets, buy more from uk suppliers MBDA and Thales Belfast and drive the price down. I agree with the main thrust but at what number of any given weapon does the price drop by a good step Th...
- 28 Apr 2023, 13:50
- Forum: Royal Navy
- Topic: Type 31 Frigate (Inspiration Class) [News Only]
- Replies: 8470
- Views: 2143138
Re: Type 31 Frigate (Inspiration Class) [News Only]
Cost GLSDB is 40 to 65K dollars Brimstone 100+K and spear 3 more like 120k but we should still have both as GLSDB will give our M270A2's a cheap mass round with a 150k range The crucial point is providing a capability that is so cost effective it can be made widely available. It’s clear that stockp...