No crews or soldiers,for Albion class or t23 or army easy solution bring back national conscription,that will solve the issue,and put a bit of backbone into the wimpy generation, starting with politicians who are forgetting what freedom takes and it's sometimes saying not nice things that get votes ...

Well it's a possibility of a uprated Rafale for sure but I'm thinking that FCAS Will still go ahead, still think German industry will want it no matter if French lead or not tbh ,and I'm sure Spain and possibly Belgium will want it also ,it's either that or F35A all round except France with uprated ...

I've thought so for a long time the British governments "which ever colour" MOD , civil service department and those in charge,are a bunch of hoo ray Henry's ,I just wish some real relevant no nonsense people would take charge AND responsibility to adequately look at the real picture of wh...

Just get a load of plumbers heat mates thrown down,do trick

Better get on building that GCAP fighter asap with sufficient numbers for RAF

MUST admit I'm a bit shocked that the British MOD didn't specify a uniquely different UK version different to anyone else's ,and costing 3 times as much and 5 yrs late ,the usual planners must have been on holiday that week it got picked

Can someone explain at this point of thinking because all could change as time goes on but between the two designs GCAP and SCAF ,I'm I right in thinking the GCAP probably going to be a larger fighter, better range maybe more carrying capacity and more a fighter and independent and the SCAF going to...

It doesn't matter how bad it got ,the government of the day wouldn't do much as far as defence and equipment and stockpiles,even full war i have my grave doubts tbh ,at that point it would all be too late anyway,one side money men the other side obsessed with putting every single penny the country g...

Is that Saab's way if saying UK mod should have chosen Saab instead of Boeing,

I'm thinking that Germany are not going to allow New typhoons to be sold to any new country, could be wrong but that's just the way it seems to be going,and unless some new government gets in I can't see that changing , like people have said lot's of times, thank goodness we not doing GCAP with them

Depends if we think it’ll cost that - using a pre existing design and ensuring no political delays then the MRSS budget is a big chunk of cash towards it. The funding is only one part of it. If the MRSS funding was completely shovelled into a third CVF another £1bn would need to be found. It would ...

Little J wrote: ↑18 Nov 2023, 22:06 Could it be that the Germans have had enough of the French?

Will it turn out the French will have enough of the Germans in the end ? Don't know just saying

Well I'm sure Germany's pal France are ready and willing to let both parties have lots of rafale ,and being best pals the German government are happy to let France have the sale's to keep France sweet for their joint upcoming FCAS

So if say example Poland wanted to join tempest as well , Italy and Poland would get EU funds for the tempest program and be officially an EU program as well? CRAZY lol ,com on Poland lol can't think of any other countries in Europe who like us lol

new guy wrote: ↑07 Nov 2023, 16:25

inch wrote: ↑07 Nov 2023, 16:11 RN should order 2 aswell,

Show the money

Well the government can manage to spend billions on a totally useless train project, should be able to afford 2 extra ships ,now manning maybe another issue I grant you

RN should order 2 aswell,

Ok cheers,but is the future government going to listen to people like him and use it in sound bites for an excuse to cut/ scrap or amalgamate with Europe, with the line " leading defence opinion is ,and expert's say line" to affect change for their either cut or amalgamate?,like I'm sure t...

Going to play devil's advocate here and not my personal way of thinking of how GCAP should proceed but think there was a RUSI article just released that UK needs to throw alot more money into the GCAP because of the current estimates of outlay not going to be sufficient or cut back program tech ambi...

Lucky if we even have carriers in a couple of years tbh , the next sdsr will probably say money spent on carriers and crew and ops/maintenance would be better spent on shells or integration with Europe ground forces,yes I can foresee more clueless unknowledgeable defence ministers and civil service ...

Yes makes me wonder how these comedy articles get published,not even slow news days ATM with Israel and Ukraine kicking off,then everyone jumping on it as if gospel,how many times has this happened that people should just know better, anonymous sources is never a good sign to start with in my mind

No way if potential 6000 job losses I read somewhere if typhoon doesn't sell more jets and production line closed/slowed until GCAP ramps up 2030s , will UK want Germany onboard,mmh that is until a pro EU party takes power in UK and potentially signed up to anything that might be a partnership with ...

That's because Poland a bigger richer country and like to spend on their country's defense needs to match the world reality ,err oh wait a minute ,well some of that right anyway

The most wonderful thing for the future is tho that Germany has nothing and never will have anything to do with GCAP ,and if France has anything to learn about this going into partnership with Germany is button everything up tight for future sales of FCAS that Germany has absolutely ZERO veto on who...

Shame we didn't buy the 2 ship instead of Egypt for cheap the time ,but hey there we go

Even if This might not be the everything coming home to roost time ,the way this country acts in defence matters it definitely will one day ,and the government people and country will find out what a total shambles those decision makers are in this country,no matter what colour they are in government