...still lots of talk of expanding the use of 57mm and 30mm+martlet - ignoring the fact we're shortly going to have 10x 40mm units in service on Frigates. if there is any serious suggestion that 40mm is open to question, then fine. in the absence of that suggestion i'd suggest that talk of expandin...

I don't think LMM has that level of capability

In 1983 Hermes airwing was 32 aircraft carried 22 Harriers and 10 SeaKing so with 15 F-35's QE will at some point need to carry 17+ helicopters to beat that I don't suppose it is a coincidence that 21 aircraft is more than the Invincible class could carry and so it is a symbolic milestone for the R...

By the way, how about 8 T26: 1x 127mm, 24x strike-length VLS (mk41), 48x CAMM, 2x 40mm 3P (banning 2x 30mm and 2x CIWS) 5 T31: 1x 57mm, 12x CAMM, 2x 30mm, 2x CIWS (banning 2x 40mm 3P) In T26, 48 CAMM and two 40mm 3P will cover high-end and very-low end (drones?) AAW, respectively. In T31, 12 CAMM f...

inch wrote:Thought there only going to be 15 f35 and 6 helos or am I missing something ?.not bad tbh ,gots their work cut out even with them numbers ,it's a long slow learning curve I guess

The above is based on a big statement made in a tweet

In 1983 Hermes airwing was 32 aircraft carried 22 Harriers and 10 SeaKing so with 15 F-35's QE will at some point need to carry 17+ helicopters to beat that

Firstly right now it is making what we have work better and then adding where and when needed next FFGX is in another league to type 31 and more on a par with type-26 in its weapon fit. If Type 31 was to be fitted as I put forward i.e 1 x 57mm , 3 x 30mm , 1 x Phalanx , 30 x CAMM , 8 x NSM + soft ki...

Here we go again just when we need to growing our defence these pricks are Cutting it again dressed up as they wont be as bad as leaked are't we great and once again we will end up spending more and getting less and this bunch of dicks will blame industry for the high cost and patting them self on t...

If we take the T31 at a £450m baseline how much will adding these weapons and systems cost? Where are you getting a 450 million baseline from? As for cost of adding weapons NSM cost would come from the said 200 million outlined , Phalanx would be the cost of the interface as the main gun system is ...

When it comes to type 31 being as capable as a type 23 GP... A few points to consider regarding the high north. 1. If NATO now wants increased surface patrols in the high north, that will require extra assets to perform such patrols unless other taskings are being reduced elsewhere. RN have current...

With a realistic overall programme budget from the start! I would say that a RFI should be put together and issued with no budget it should be for companies to come up with package and program cost that is not to say the MOD should not have realistic figure in mind when setting out the RFI. Also wh...

With this statement HMG is setting out its stall that it wants to operate in the High North and the Indo-Pacific if this is their intention they will need more Type 31's to allow a more active flow Agreed but they need to be as capable as HMS Sutherland. This not a deployment for a flag waving gunb...

SD67 wrote: FWIW personally I think there should be competition on everything, you’re not forced to accept the lowest bid.

This is my mind set I think all projects should be International tender with priority given to British companies meaning it theirs to lose

Poiuytrewq wrote:Interesting article in the Telegraph today.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/0 ... dominance/

With this statement HMG is setting out its stall that it wants to operate in the High North and the Indo-Pacific if this is their intention they will need more Type 31's to allow a more active flow

For me I can almost understand the thinking that type 45 and 23 don't need Anti-ship missiles as they are with the carrier which would deal with OTH strike. However for me any singleton should have a SSGW capability. The whole Type 31 program has been poor in its thinking from the start it should ha...

Technically we are not in the EU any more as our membership and parliament reprisensation ended on the 1st of this year. We are how ever in the so called transition period until the end of this year which means during this time our trading relationship stays the same as if we were still a member bu...

Two things for me one HMG keep bring up the EU rule about non warship builds when telling us we are not in the EU anymore so surly these rules do not apply anymore and we can do as we please. Second all other EU countries that have a ship building base don't bother with this rule and build there own...

For me the Scots have the escorts to build a nice three way with CL and HW Belfast and Appledore for the FSS

The B1's really have the look of a WW11 destroyer escort about them stunning

Albion sailed yesterday so is out and about too now that would be a great picture QE , POW and Albion together

And the cherry on the top could be 8 x NSM from the I_SSGW budget if it goes ahead As always the problem with anti-ship missiles is how do you obtain the targeting info in time to launch, travel ~100 nm at Mach 0.8-9 before the enemy ship has steamed out of the missiles limited sensor search basket...

In my head I had that the 3 ships could not be built for 1 billion in the UK I may be wrong but this figure of 1.5 billion is new or did I miss something

As said for me a good place for the B2's to end up would be a 40mm up front and the ability to add 30mm with LMM on the bridge waists as needed for me this could allow them to work in the gulf as part of a convoy under a escorts missile umbrella

Maybe a good mix could be 57mm point A , 30mm with LMM point B , Phalanx on the hangar roof and a 30mm with LMM each side giving it

1 x 57mm
3 x 30mm with LMM
1 x Phalanx
24 x CAMM
And the cherry on the top could be 8 x NSM from the I_SSGW budget if it goes ahead

Back in the day (STRN July 19 A-140 ) the babcock model did have Phalanx's each side of the rear 40mm mount 2 x phalanx on escorts would be in line with RN thinking ( but not there budget ) i.e two on type 45 and two on type 26 however if two phalanx were to be fitted on type 31 it would make it a s...