Lord Jim wrote: ↑08 Dec 2021, 03:25 Aren't the first Boxers coming off the German production line?

Yes, and their production started in June this year and first vehicles should be delivered in late 2022. UK will provide some components for them. It was planed that production in UK will start in 2023.

Yes it is a nice video. On the other side it is also disheartening to see that units need to came up with improvisations like those racks to carry NLAW outside turret so that commander, while exposing himself, could reach and use if needed. And its replacement, Ajax, is not addressing this in any wa...

In the same timescales you could expect to develop a whole new design. MGCS is in developing for almost a decade and still not a single prototype is produced. Would it be cheaper to just install teh turret form the latest Leopard 2 A7V. Would it be? Leo 2 does have larger turret basket, and neither...

An Armoured Regiments at one stage had both integral Recce (Scorpion) and ATGWs (FV438/Swingfire). Today they still have the former but will lose them when the Scimitars are retired as there appear to be no plans to have Recce Troops in Armoured Regiments when ajax enters service. Yes but under new...

IMO having more vehicles to support infantry is never a bad idea, and MGS is not exactly replacement for a "real" tank. Number of countries have similar systems, either tracked or wheeled, like Italy (Centauro 2), Japan (Type 16), Russia (Sprut-SD) ... even USA, although retiring Stryker M...

There is already a version of ASCOD equipped with Leonardo's HITFACT turret with 120mm. Ajax probably could be equipped with the same turret. Or any other turret like Cockerill 3105. I think that Cockerill also has(?) turret that could carry 120mm gun, XC-8, but if I am not wrong this is older gener...

Has anything be released about the total timescale for the Challenger 3 programme and what delivery rate the Army can expect? https://www.forces.net/sites/default/files/styles/inline_image/public/The%20Key%20Performance%20Milestones%20for%20CR2%20LEP%20Challenger%202%20upgrade%2027052021%20CREDIT%2...

For me we need 3 x regiments of self propelled guns 2 x full time , 1 Reserves 3 x regiments of MLRS same as above 3 x regiments of Light gun ( 1 Air assault , 1 commando , 1 Reserves 3 x regiments of Air defence 2 x regiments of battle field UAV's I don't see the light gun going anywhere on top of...

I'm not convinced you'd want CT40 as a point defence system. It's not an unreliable system, but you want exceptionally reliable if it's your weapon of last resort. Well Thales and Nexter are developing a naval CIWS system RAPIDFire which will use CT40. Apparently it could also be used by ground for...

DefenceNews article from 2017: An estimated unit price of a Griffon is about €2.2 million to €2.3 million (U.S. $2.4 million to U.S. $2.5 million), depending on the arms and equipment fitted, while the unit price of the Jaguar is €4.5 million to €5 million, an industry executive said. https://www.de...

So there will be 5 battalions equipped with Boxer APC, 1st Mercian and 1st Royal Welch in 12th ABCT and 1st RRF, 5th Rifles and 1st PWRR in 20th ABCT. https://www.army.mod.uk/media/14919/adr010310-futuresoldierguide_25nov.pdf This new ORBAT looks quite weird, no Artillery regiments in both ABCT, see...

You never know if the MoD gets a real liking to wheeled AFVs the Royal Marines may end up with s few of the new 8x8 Amphibious Assault vehicles being built for the USMC, to compliment the much lighter platforms like Polaris. Unlikely but strange things sometimes do happen. Why would Royal Marines e...

If I remember correctly, the Gun System maintains a path for the driver to exit to rear. It is! But supposedly the crew is Driver/Operator and Commander. No idea where Commander is stationed. Rear exit is for Commander who sits behind driver in extended crew cabin. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E2uzw...

I’d also be interested to know what ruled CV90 out, particularly with the interest in it from this and other forums. According to informed sources, the AJAX was regarded as not fit for purpose, and the BAE Systems-Hagglunds CV90 was assessed as too expensive. From https://www.australiandefence.com....

BB85 wrote:I wonder if the UK would have had any workshare had Ascod 2 won.

Why would it? ASCOD 2 is not exactly the same as Ajax, and it have completely different turret, provided by Elbit.

Finland developed the Patria 8x8 and 6x6 so is happy to go all wheels for APCs. For APC, yes, for IFV no. Finnish Army still has over 200 CV9030 and BMP-2M and they are not getting rid of them. All BMP-2M were modernised recently and for CV9030, Finland already sign contract with BAe for modernisat...

I am not saying that Boxer is some utopian answer to all nations problems, but for the British Army it is most likely the best and most affordable option. The Bundeswehr which of course has both Boxer and Puma and operates both with its leopard 2 tanks without any difficulty. In fact the command ve...

Yes many countries are buying tracked IFVs these days and some are also buying wheeled ones such a Poland, who have actually bought their wheeled IFV, the Rosomak and are now developing a tracked IFV the Borsuk. Sure, lot of countries is buying wheeled IFVs but very few are pairing them with tanks....

Or get the Aussies to do it for us, it might actually happen then ;-) Australia already chose Boxer as a new recce vehicle. And both Lynx and Redback are actually competing for IFV to replace aging M-113. None of those might not be suitable for British Army as it might have different requirement th...

... having platforms that can do the same job as their tracked compatriots ... But question is can Boxer replace Warrior and effectively cooperate with CR3. I mean even if Boxer could follow tank in, let's say, 95% cases, but, for example, struggles with marshy terrain or in deserts then it might n...

Considering that Hungary deal with Rheinmetall for 218 Lynx IFVs and 9 Buffalo armored recovery vehicles, will cost around $2.4 billion (£1.7 billion ?), it is hard to believe that 245 CV90 would cost "just" £700 million. Norway upgraded 103 CV90 and bought 41 new chassis for £500 million ...

The only three NATO countries with substantial current orders for tracked AFVs are Germany and Poland and the United Kingdom. Define substantial. 218 Lynx IFV ordered by Hungary is quite substantial IMO, just like possible Czech order of some 210 vehicle from one of three contenders, Lynx, ASCOD an...

The Polish army field a thousand MBTs with another 250 on order Polish has like 860 tanks and those 250 Abrams will not add to that number but instead replace all those T-72 tanks still in service. And they already looking for replacement of all PT-91 and, eventually, Leopard 2s in service. Final r...

RunningStrong wrote: And there's a 30mm JLTV, but I've never seen these variants fully integrated into Bushmaster.

For Bushmaster yes, I think you are correct. I don't think Bushmaster currently has any of those options.

The list looks very questionable. Direct fire. Is that just RWS? Mortars. Is that just an internal stowage scheme for carrying a dismounted mortar team? Air defence. As with mortars, is this integrated, or just a few tubes stowed in the back for RBS70 dismounted team? Not sure what OP though with d...