SW1 wrote:I’d be hoping that the mrvp program is more future variants of foxhound and jackal.

I have to say I would like to see a 6X6 Foxhound with 8 dismounts and a RWS

so Lets say with the move to BCT's we had two heavy Mechanised BCT's with Boxer + two medium mechanised BCT's with Jaguar and Griffon and two light mechanised BCT's with JLTV and Bushmaster I would say we would need an extra 500 Boxer's with 200 with the 40mm turret + 150 with the Skyranger 30 turre...

Is the Eagle V the 4x4 or the 6x6 variant? Are you sure of the price differential between the Boxer CVR and the Jaguar CVR. I know the former is better protected and has greater mobility and load carrying capacity with the option of six dismounts but four times the price seems a bit strange given t...

I am now looking at the GM Eagle in both its 4x4 and 6x6 versions as the best option for the whole MRV(P) requirement. I think the JLTV is too big and too specialised, really being aimed at past requirement raised during the was in Iraq and Afghanistan. The Eagle seems a much more suitable platform...

topman wrote:I think you're getting hung up on the name of the unit. Just because other countries have similar names units doing xyz, doesn't say we have to have them doing the same thing.

You may well be right and at the end of the day it is just a point of view

Why the need to be parachute trained? The point of having a Rangers regiment for me is they sit between the special forces and the dedicated high end infantry like the Paras and commandos and there for take on some operations that in the past SF units would have done to this end and in line with th...

But the way I read it about the rangers was they are really about training and operating with local forces in a upstream conflict prevention type role. Didn’t really seeing them operating with air mobile brigade. So are the Rangers not sitting somewhere between the SF and Paras. For me we need to s...

SW1 wrote:Was Essex storm not 9 chinook and 6 Puma?

yes it was but in war time this would needed to go up. As for the IR it states 1 x Air mobile brigade and a Ranger regiment so add the 3rd Battalion Gurkha's to 16X and the Rangers into the mix you would have the division I laid out

Merlin won the competition for the US Presidential transport helo. The Minuteman guarding config was much more interesting BTW The RAF hate Merlin. 99% because it's a navy machine ... and that has by now been settled to the mutual satisfaction of both parties While the Merlin replacement is yonks (...

However the Brigade will never have enough vertical lift to move more than a couple of Company sized battlegroups, This is why we need to maintain 60 Chinook and add 50 + AW-149's with the brigade being given in war time 25 of each plus 4 A400m's plus one Sqn of Apache. The brigade should also have...

However the Brigade will never have enough vertical lift to move more than a couple of Company sized battlegroups, This is why we need to maintain 60 Chinook and add 50 + AW-149's with the brigade being given in war time 25 of each plus 4 A400m's plus one Sqn of Apache. The brigade should also have...

I watched that video a few days ago and it is informative. There does appear to be some common ground between their ideas and ours, but as usual their have been far better thought through and resourced. They have also retained their Heavy Armoured and Mechanised formations, as well as having far fe...

Before the summer... as has been promised (more detail of the BCTs), it wll be interesting to see how our two bdes (air mobile and air combat) will compare (perhaps with the Ranger Rgmnt thrown in) with the joint German-Dutch Division: As things stand now 16X has about 6200 troops and the French 11...

once dismounted the 60mm should be given to Platoons these could be carried on a rack inside or out side the vehicle and gives a Platoon a 3 km range for me the 81mm is coming to the end of the line it lacks the range now 120mm is becoming more wide spreed and is to heavy and unwieldy to be man port...

Well, yes, but, call me conservative and old fashioned, but one company can fight just in one small area, so 7 km range is far longer than they can realisticly have the need to shoot. I mean, company's enemy is behind/on top of the next hill, not in third village away. A company on its own is on th...

With new mlrs and hopefully new 155 guns for the heavy units perhaps its worth asking is 105mm guns what the lighter forces require for the roles they going to be doing. As mentioned with acc on another thread is it perhaps time they looked to loitering munitions for the future. This will depend on...

I think it comes down to what we want to do. If we take the Warrior as the bench mark i.e a armoured vehicle that can carry 7 troops onto the battle field dismount them and offer fire support out to 2000 meters when not moving with its 30mm cannon. Then we can now use Boxer to carry 8 troops onto th...

Or just ask ATK if it could add the PGK's to our 105 rounds

Lord Jim wrote:

Tempest414 wrote:105mm gun with PGK's = 20km

Where are these coming from? Will these fit the bespoke Light Gun ammunition?

The PGK tests on the 105mm round were carried out on the M927 round from a M119A1 gun or as we know it the L118 light gun

Puma going now to make way for AW-149 will help keep Yeovil going until Merlin replacement around 2035

from the video all 21 helicopters were used in the first wave and then came back to move a second wave Not bad going but a way short of 35. I agree however at the start of this I was only putting forward what could be done if we had say 55 Chinooks and 50 Aw-149's and we now have seen what has been...

For me the prefect mix for Boxer at Battalion level is 20 x APC's with 12.7mm + 1 Javelin RWS 20 x APC's with 30mm Venom RWS 20 x APC's with 40mm GMG RWS 20 x CVR's Turreted 40mm with 2 Javelin 9 x Nemo 120mm mortar = 89 Boxers this allows each company to have 6 APC with 12.7mm + 1 Javelin 5 APC wit...

About right, rather than focussing on what to buy: - 4 platoons with protected mobility - 4 direct fire weapons (on the 'same-ish platform') - 3 indirect fire weapons (to act as a battery) or, any one of them doing some bunker busting in direct fire -mode.. this is where a Griffon buy would let you...

This is what I said up thread that when talking about 16X or the RM if they are given 120 mm mortar =10km , 105mm gun with PGK's = 20km and Hero 120 = 40km this along with Javelin and Apache allows them highly mobile hard hitting kit from 2 to 40km's

SKB wrote:Isn't there a Future Vertical Lift Programme thread you could discuss this all in rather than a Puma helicopter thread?

But Puma took part in Wessex storm

and talking about it replacement in context is fine